The French eat DOG FOOD!

['nuff said]

'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

["New Faz" @]

Mouah Ah ah ah ah ah ah
Ridicule petite "attaque" d'un gamin américain qui n'a Aucun argument a
contrer au fait que son pays est composé d'idiots, de menteur et de
voleurs...(et je ne compte pas les obèses sinon je n'en finirais pas..:-D)

Vous n'arretez pas de vous faire tirer comme des lapins en Irak...Les
irakiens, sans armée vous descendent comme au tir au pigeont...trop
Drole...:-D

Pour ce qui est du reste, voir mon autre poste ou je t'explique déjà tout
pov'naz...:-D

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

[Jeremy]

Post by "New Faz" @
Mouah Ah ah ah ah ah ah

You know that Canada remark had to hurt.

Post by "New Faz" @
Ridicule petite "attaque" d'un gamin américain qui n'a Aucun argument
a contrer au fait que son pays est composé d'idiots, de menteur et de
voleurs...(et je ne compte pas les obèses sinon je n'en finirais pas..:-D)
Vous n'arretez pas de vous faire tirer comme des lapins en Irak...Les
irakiens, sans armée vous descendent comme au tir au pigeont...trop
Drole...:-D
Pour ce qui est du reste, voir mon autre poste ou je t'explique déjà
tout pov'naz...:-D

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy
petroleum from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we
have him? Stop chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a
war against CANADA!

OUCH!! :>

["New Faz" @]

Sont beaucoup plus intelligent que vous au Canada...Tu ne sembles pas au
courrant :-))

Post by Jeremy

Post by "New Faz" @
Mouah Ah ah ah ah ah ah

You know that Canada remark had to hurt.

Post by "New Faz" @
Ridicule petite "attaque" d'un gamin américain qui n'a Aucun argument
a contrer au fait que son pays est composé d'idiots, de menteur et de
voleurs...(et je ne compte pas les obèses sinon je n'en finirais pas..:-D)
Vous n'arretez pas de vous faire tirer comme des lapins en Irak...Les
irakiens, sans armée vous descendent comme au tir au pigeont...trop
Drole...:-D
Pour ce qui est du reste, voir mon autre poste ou je t'explique déjà
tout pov'naz...:-D

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy
petroleum from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we
have him? Stop chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a
war against CANADA!

OUCH!! :>

[waggg]

Post by Jeremy

Post by "New Faz" @
Mouah Ah ah ah ah ah ah

You know that Canada remark had to hurt.

hurt ? why hurt ? what is the link with reality ?

you can't tame a country with 3 old men with grenades and 2 youngs
with guns and you dare brag ? OMG !!! Who the hell are you ?

black plastic bag with corpses of your soldiers come back almost
everyday ... you, the first army in the world in trouble in a
pauperized bloodless country like Iraq ... please don't show off,
kiddo ... nothing funny in it.

Post by Jeremy

Post by "New Faz" @

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy
petroleum from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we
have him? Stop chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a
war against CANADA!

OUCH!! :>

pock-marked teenager, eh ? :-)

Stupid flag-waving strafing monkeys ....

[Jeremy]

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy

Post by "New Faz" @
Mouah Ah ah ah ah ah ah

You know that Canada remark had to hurt.

hurt ? why hurt ? what is the link with reality ?

Damn, can't even take a joke.
It must of really hurt that bad.

Post by waggg
you can't tame a country with 3 old men with grenades and 2 youngs
with guns and you dare brag ? OMG !!! Who the hell are you ?
black plastic bag with corpses of your soldiers come back almost
everyday ... you, the first army in the world in trouble in a
pauperized bloodless country like Iraq ... please don't show off,
kiddo ... nothing funny in it.

How would you know?

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy

Post by "New Faz" @

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy
petroleum from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we
have him? Stop chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a
war against CANADA!

OUCH!! :>

pock-marked teenager, eh ? :-)

Talking about your wife again, huh?

Post by waggg
Stupid flag-waving strafing monkeys ....

[waggg]

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy

Post by "New Faz" @
Mouah Ah ah ah ah ah ah

You know that Canada remark had to hurt.

hurt ? why hurt ? what is the link with reality ?

Damn, can't even take a joke.

stop thinking i'm a fool, boy ... please.

Post by Jeremy
It must of really hurt that bad.

LOL pitiful ...

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
you can't tame a country with 3 old men with grenades and 2 youngs
with guns and you dare brag ? OMG !!! Who the hell are you ?
black plastic bag with corpses of your soldiers come back almost
everyday ... you, the first army in the world in trouble in a
pauperized bloodless country like Iraq ... please don't show off,
kiddo ... nothing funny in it.

How would you know?

?

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy

Post by "New Faz" @

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy
petroleum from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we
have him? Stop chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a
war against CANADA!

OUCH!! :>

pock-marked teenager, eh ? :-)

Talking about your wife again, huh?

that hurt, eh ? :-) BWAHAHA !!! :-)

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
Stupid flag-waving strafing monkeys ....

[Jeremy]

Post by waggg
you, the first army in the world in trouble in a
pauperized bloodless country like Iraq ... please don't show off,
kiddo ... nothing funny in it.

Bloodless?! Oh please, these people have made war since Babylon. They
would blow up their own mothers. And people call America barbaric. I see
today that they are turning on their own people. Is this the new regime
that is to take Hussein's place?

Car bomb outside coalition headquarters in Baghdad kills 18, including
two American civilians

SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Writer Sunday, January 18, 2004

(01-18) 03:44 PST BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) --

A suicide bomber detonated 1,000 pounds of explosives in a pickup truck
outside the headquarters compound of the U.S.-led coalition Sunday,
killing at least 18 bystanders, including two U.S. Defense Department
workers, American officials said.

An Iraqi Governing Council spokesman, Hamid al-Kafai, said at least 20
people were killed and more than 60 were wounded.

U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said there were "indications" that some
those killed were American citizens.

"We believe the current number to be at two," he said. "We are awaiting
confirmation."

At least 28 people, including six Americans, were wounded by the blast,
which occurred at about 8 a.m. near the "Assassin's Gate" to Saddam
Hussein's former Republican Palace complex, now used by the U.S.-led
occupation authority for headquarters. The gate is used by hundreds of
Iraqis employed by the Coalition Provisional Authority, the formal name
of the U.S.-led occupation authorities, as well as U.S. military vehicles.

It was the deadliest attack in Iraq since Saddam was captured Dec. 13
near his hometown of Tikrit. Seventeen people were killed in a suicide
bombing in Khaldiyah, west of Baghdad, the day after Saddam was arrested.

U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer, who is in the United States for talks
with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, called the bombing "another
clear indication of the murderous and cynical intent of terrorists to
undermine freedom, democracy and progress in Iraq. They will not succeed."

"Once again, it is innocent Iraqis who have been murdered by these
terrorists in a senseless act of violence," Bremer said in a statement.
"Our determination to work for a stable and democratic future for this
country is undiminished."

The U.S. military press office initially said the 18 dead included 16
Iraqi civilians and two American civilians. The wounded included 22
Iraqi civilians, four civilians working for the Defense Department and
two U.S. soldiers, the press office said.

But a military spokesman later said it was unclear whether the Defense
Department casualties involved staff or contract workers.

Defense Department spokeswoman Lt. Cmdr. Barbara Burfeind, reached at
home early Sunday, said Pentagon officials had no immediate information
about the car bomb or the victims.

Col. Ralph Baker, division commander of the 2nd Brigade of the 1st
Armored Division, said the explosives were packed inside a white Toyota
pickup truck. He discounted witness accounts that more than one vehicle
was involved.

"There was not a second car bomb," said Baker, who is in charge of
security in the so-called Green Zone, a large swath of land on the west
bank of the Tigris River that contains the headquarters.

Brig. Gen. Mark Hertling, deputy commander of the 1st Armored Division,
said the blast occurred "literally at the last point a vehicle could get
to without being stopped. The barriers absorbed most of the blast."

Some witnesses said two cars may have been involved.

Salah Farhan said he was accompanying colleagues through the checkpoint
when he saw a Land Cruiser try to cut to the head of the line. The
vehicle exploded about two cars back from the gate, he said.

U.S. troops guarding the gate took cover when they saw the vehicle try
to move to the front of the line.

The area is one of the most heavily guarded in the capital. U.S.
soldiers guarding the gate usually stand about 20 yards from the road
behind coils of barbed wire and concrete barriers.

One witness, Hamid Hawwam, said two cars exploded at the gate, and one
of them flew into the air.

Another, Haidar Hanoun, said he was lining up for a job when a Land
Cruiser and another vehicle exploded.

"It was very strong. There are a lot of injured and dead," he said.

Karar Abbas, an Iraqi civil defense trooper, said the blast engulfed
seven cars parked along the street.

Mohammed Jabbar, who works at the Ministry of Planning, said he was
waiting to pass through the security checkpoint when the blast occurred.

"It lifted us into the air," he said. "People fell on top of one another."

At least three separate fires were seen after the blast. One man was
seen lying motionless on the side of the road as coalition soldiers and
civilians helped the wounded.

Several of the wounded squatted helplessly on the ground. Some, shocked
and weeping, were comforted by bystanders. One wounded man was carried
away in what looked like a bed sheet.

Coalition tanks also moved in near the blazes.

"The wounded are in big numbers, there are killed, there were people
whom we couldn't take to the hospital," engineer Khalid Taleb said. "It
is a very crowded area."

Nabil Abdul Zahar said a friend standing with him in line for security
checks was killed.

"My friend was standing behind me in the line when the explosion
happened," a shaken Zahar said. "There were lots of injured. I called
for help and no one came to help me. He died right there on the ground."

Iraqi police announced on loudspeakers that coalition forces will give
$2,500 to anyone providing information on the perpetrators.

The explosion could be heard along the banks of the Tigris River, which
flows through the center of the city of 5 million. Dense morning fog
blanketed the city at the time.

The last large explosions in the center of Baghdad occurred Monday when
mortars exploded near the river.

[waggg]

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
you, the first army in the world in trouble in a
pauperized bloodless country like Iraq ... please don't show off,
kiddo ... nothing funny in it.

Bloodless?! Oh please, these people have made war since Babylon. They

Of course bloodless ... about 11 yrs of embargo killing mainly the
weak ones (children for instance) because of lack of medicines ... The
country was on the knees, wiseass !

no spare parts for their army old 3rd world army w/ pitiful old
armamments :) yeah ... that was a challenge !

Post by Jeremy
would blow up their own mothers. And people call America barbaric. I see

the terrorists are barbaric ... and what ?

Post by Jeremy
today that they are turning on their own people. Is this the new regime
that is to take Hussein's place?

yeah, let's hope their country won't fall in chaos or islamist regime
...

<snip the example of every day news>

[Jeremy]

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
you, the first army in the world in trouble in a
pauperized bloodless country like Iraq ... please don't show off,
kiddo ... nothing funny in it.

Bloodless?! Oh please, these people have made war since Babylon. They

Of course bloodless ... about 11 yrs of embargo killing mainly the
weak ones (children for instance) because of lack of medicines ... The
country was on the knees, wiseass !

You are mistaken on the purpose of the embargo. The medicine and food
that was shipped to Iraq was indeed stolen by their army and sold for
weapons. How can we provide support for the Iraqi people when their own
leader uses it to build 48 new palaces? On the knees indeed! How do you
explain the crowds of celebrating citizens who were tearing down the
statues of Saddam?

Post by waggg
no spare parts for their army old 3rd world army w/ pitiful old
armamments :) yeah ... that was a challenge !

Are we to follow France's example and allow a madman to come to power
behind our backs? Forgive us for learning a lesson from the wars you
lost. You misunderstand the intent of the operation. It was not to
provide a challenge at all. We do not want to send our people halfway
around the world to confront a source of evil. However, most Americans
are descendant from those who immigrated to escape such injustices as
those that are perpetuated in places like Iraq. And we are completely
intolerant of those who will use their positions of power to oppress and
exploit the innocent.

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy
would blow up their own mothers. And people call America barbaric. I see

the terrorists are barbaric ... and what ?

Post by Jeremy
today that they are turning on their own people. Is this the new regime
that is to take Hussein's place?

yeah, let's hope their country won't fall in chaos or islamist regime
...

Food for thought...

Wednesday, August 18, 1999 Published at 08:21 GMT 09:21 UK

World: Middle East

Iraq 'exporting baby food'

Iraq is accused of disregarding the welfare of its children

The United States has accused Iraq of not caring about the welfare of
its children, after the seizure of a boat-load of baby food suggested
that Iraq was exporting food badly needed by its own infants.

There is however no independent proof that Iraq was indeed exporting the
food.

The boat was impounded by Kuwait on Sunday after it strayed into Kuwaiti
territorial waters.

US State Department spokesman James Rubin said Baghdad must have
approved the export cargo, proving that the government did not care
about its ailing children.

The captain of the boat said that the ship was heading for Dubai.

Kuwaiti authorities found 75 cartons of baby powder, 25 cartons of baby
bottles and 25 tonnes of cotton seed, said Mr Rubin.

Propaganda war

Baby food has been an emotional issue in the propaganda war between Iraq
and the US for years.

It began at the end of the Gulf war in 1991 with a US attack on a
factory which Iraq said produced baby milk powder.

Washington said the factory was also used as a centre for biological
weapons.

Baghdad says that since the United Nations imposed sanctions in 1990, it
cannot afford to feed its own children.

But this latest incident, for Washington at least, is proof of Iraqi
cynicism.

Mr Rubin said: "The fact that Iraq is exporting nursing supplies for
hard currency in violation of sanctions while Iraqi babies and children
are suffering from malnutrition is yet another indication of the Iraqi
regime's cynical disregard for the welfare of its own citizens."

Sub-standard supplies

The BBC's Washington correspondent Rob Watson says that the facts
surrounding the seizure are few and far between.

The captain of the boat says that the cargo was destined for a trader in
Dubai.

Some in Baghdad maintain that the boat was simply returning goods that
were not up to standard; others say that the boat had nothing to do with
the Iraqi government.

Soaring death rate

The latest row comes a week after a report by the United Nations
Children's Fund revealed that Iraqi children under five are dying at
more than twice the rate they were 10 years ago.

Unicef emphasised that Baghdad's delay in distributing the aid supplies
it is allowed to import under a food-for-oil deal has contributed to
child mortality.

[waggg]

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
Of course bloodless ... about 11 yrs of embargo killing mainly the
weak ones (children for instance) because of lack of medicines ... The
country was on the knees, wiseass !

You are mistaken on the purpose of the embargo. The medicine and food
that was shipped to Iraq was indeed stolen by their army and sold for
weapons. How can we provide support for the Iraqi people when their own
leader uses it to build 48 new palaces? On the knees indeed! How do you
explain the crowds of celebrating citizens who were tearing down the
statues of Saddam?

Post by waggg
no spare parts for their army old 3rd world army w/ pitiful old
armamments :) yeah ... that was a challenge !

Are we to follow France's example and allow a madman to come to power

? huh ... who the hell are you talking about ???? hitler ?
please, read about it I already explained it (but you seem refusing to
read ...) how things happened and the role of your dear England in it
too ...
and comparing 2003's Saddam to 1936-39's Hitler is ridiculous !!!! :-)

Post by Jeremy
behind our backs? Forgive us for learning a lesson from the wars you
lost. You misunderstand the intent of the operation. It was not to
provide a challenge at all. We do not want to send our people halfway
around the world to confront a source of evil. However, most Americans
are descendant from those who immigrated to escape such injustices as
those that are perpetuated in places like Iraq. And we are completely
intolerant of those who will use their positions of power to oppress and
exploit the innocent.

GOSH !!!!! ARE YIOU TELLING ME THAT USA WENT IN IRAQ TO FREE THE IRAQI
? ARE YOU ?!!!!!!! ..... OMG !!!!!!

Were you in vacation on Mars when all started ?
You can't see the ruth in the eyes or what ?!!!!
wow your propaganda is so powerful that you seem to say that without
doubting one second you're telling the truth !!!! impressive !!!!!

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy
would blow up their own mothers. And people call America barbaric. I see

the terrorists are barbaric ... and what ?

Post by Jeremy
today that they are turning on their own people. Is this the new regime
that is to take Hussein's place?

yeah, let's hope their country won't fall in chaos or islamist regime
...

Food for thought...

<snip interesting stuff but not clearly proven tho>

i mean that's not all what i heard from many sources including US
ones, so ...

concerning the 48 new "palaces" were they really constructed during
this 11 yrs ? links ... Saddam was a bloodthirsty tyrant indeed so i
can easily believe it but i need HTTP links anyways ...


Food for thought...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/081900-02.htm
http://www.wfn.org/1999/09/msg00209.html
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2001/msg00408.html
http://wwww.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/d9f8648aec18f9fec125685e0031434c?OpenDocument
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/irunlift.htm
http://india_resource.tripod.com/Iraq.html (the end has to be read)
etc ...

[Jeremy]

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
Of course bloodless ... about 11 yrs of embargo killing mainly the
weak ones (children for instance) because of lack of medicines ... The
country was on the knees, wiseass !

You are mistaken on the purpose of the embargo. The medicine and food
that was shipped to Iraq was indeed stolen by their army and sold for
weapons. How can we provide support for the Iraqi people when their own
leader uses it to build 48 new palaces? On the knees indeed! How do you
explain the crowds of celebrating citizens who were tearing down the
statues of Saddam?

Post by waggg
no spare parts for their army old 3rd world army w/ pitiful old
armamments :) yeah ... that was a challenge !

Are we to follow France's example and allow a madman to come to power

? huh ... who the hell are you talking about ???? hitler ?
please, read about it I already explained it (but you seem refusing to
read ...) how things happened and the role of your dear England in it
too ...
and comparing 2003's Saddam to 1936-39's Hitler is ridiculous !!!! :-)

Post by Jeremy
behind our backs? Forgive us for learning a lesson from the wars you
lost. You misunderstand the intent of the operation. It was not to
provide a challenge at all. We do not want to send our people halfway
around the world to confront a source of evil. However, most Americans
are descendant from those who immigrated to escape such injustices as
those that are perpetuated in places like Iraq. And we are completely
intolerant of those who will use their positions of power to oppress and
exploit the innocent.

GOSH !!!!! ARE YIOU TELLING ME THAT USA WENT IN IRAQ TO FREE THE IRAQI
? ARE YOU ?!!!!!!! ..... OMG !!!!!!
Were you in vacation on Mars when all started ?
You can't see the ruth in the eyes or what ?!!!!
wow your propaganda is so powerful that you seem to say that without
doubting one second you're telling the truth !!!! impressive !!!!!

Once again you misunderstand. I was just explaining the American opinion
against involvement in Iraq. It was a personal opinion, not fact. We
went there to remove Saddam Hussein from a position of power where he
had the ability to further oppress the people and corrupt the foreign
relations of Iraq. We have not been interested in colonization since we
aquired Hawaii and Alaska. Hell, we even threw Puerto Rico back. :P

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy
would blow up their own mothers. And people call America barbaric. I see

the terrorists are barbaric ... and what ?

Post by Jeremy
today that they are turning on their own people. Is this the new regime
that is to take Hussein's place?

yeah, let's hope their country won't fall in chaos or islamist regime
...

Food for thought...

<snip interesting stuff but not clearly proven tho>
i mean that's not all what i heard from many sources including US
ones, so ...
concerning the 48 new "palaces" were they really constructed during
this 11 yrs ? links ... Saddam was a bloodthirsty tyrant indeed so i
can easily believe it but i need HTTP links anyways ...

Easy enough...
http://www.mideastnews.com/PALACEs.htm
http://www.drumbeat.mlaterz.net/October%202002/Palaces%20of%20excess%20and%20intrigue%20100502a.htm

Post by waggg
Food for thought...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/081900-02.htm
http://www.wfn.org/1999/09/msg00209.html
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2001/msg00408.html
http://wwww.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/d9f8648aec18f9fec125685e0031434c?OpenDocument
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/irunlift.htm
http://india_resource.tripod.com/Iraq.html (the end has to be read)
etc ...

some more, interesting links...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64679-2003Apr20?language=printer
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/2002/0312france.htm
http://acs.ucsd.edu/~calrev/archives/2002-2003/spring2003b/articles/article20.htm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm

[waggg]

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg

Post by Jeremy
behind our backs? Forgive us for learning a lesson from the wars you
lost. You misunderstand the intent of the operation. It was not to
provide a challenge at all. We do not want to send our people halfway
around the world to confront a source of evil. However, most Americans
are descendant from those who immigrated to escape such injustices as
those that are perpetuated in places like Iraq. And we are completely
intolerant of those who will use their positions of power to oppress and
exploit the innocent.

GOSH !!!!! ARE YIOU TELLING ME THAT USA WENT IN IRAQ TO FREE THE IRAQI
? ARE YOU ?!!!!!!! ..... OMG !!!!!!
Were you in vacation on Mars when all started ?
You can't see the ruth in the eyes or what ?!!!!
wow your propaganda is so powerful that you seem to say that without
doubting one second you're telling the truth !!!! impressive !!!!!

Once again you misunderstand. I was just explaining the American opinion
against involvement in Iraq. It was a personal opinion, not fact. We

you wasn't clear, above all. And take my reply as a reply to the
general belief of your citizens fellows.

Post by Jeremy
went there to remove Saddam Hussein from a position of power where he
had the ability to further oppress the people and corrupt the foreign

wait ! you're exeactly repeating what you were saying you're not
thinking ...

no indeed ... colonnization is not the gooda way to do ... you use the
gooda ways for decades, now ... CIA putting some pupetts is
key-strategical-countries ...
Or helping regime according to your interests ... (talebans, saddma
hussein, etc... see what i mean ?)

the list is long i would have hoped you were at least slightly aware
of it ...

No you weren't attacking Iraq because its people was suffering ... You
were attackin (officially - but it's difficult to believe (that was
difficult to believe before you did it and far more now !), because
Iraq had WMDs that could be used against USA, because Saddam had links
with Al'Qeada (those 2 things proved at all and contradicted by
European intelligence services and European experts - and 1 yr later
this has still not being proved ...)

the Bush gang is likely to have hidden agenda and lied to his people
.. after all it had been said many times by credible persons that
attacking Iraq was wanted before 9/11 ... not for freed the iRAQI ;;;
PLEASE I4M AN ADULT ... NO MORE FAIRY TALE ... TIA

Post by Jeremy
relations of Iraq. We have not been interested in colonization since we
aquired Hawaii and Alaska. Hell, we even threw Puerto Rico back. :P

puerto rico back ? I don't think so ... can you show a link, please ?
i think (not 100 % sure that i've read something quite different ...)
for your information theer were US protectorates and coup far later
than 1898 ... please ... be informed of it.

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
concerning the 48 new "palaces" were they really constructed during
this 11 yrs ? links ... Saddam was a bloodthirsty tyrant indeed so i
can easily believe it but i need HTTP links anyways ...

Easy enough...
http://www.mideastnews.com/PALACEs.htm
http://www.drumbeat.mlaterz.net/October%202002/Palaces%20of%20excess%20and%20intrigue%20100502a.htm

indeed ... i must add that the word palace cover many realities ... a
lot were simply villas ... don't forget that Saddam had like all
dictators a big big bank account, right ? do you imagine the dictator
sharing it with its people ? besides the dying of the iraqi population
was a good tool to demonize USA and UK because of this sanctions ...
wanted by both.

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
Food for thought...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/081900-02.htm
http://www.wfn.org/1999/09/msg00209.html
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2001/msg00408.html
http://wwww.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/d9f8648aec18f9fec125685e0031434c?OpenDocument
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/irunlift.htm
http://india_resource.tripod.com/Iraq.html (the end has to be read)
etc ...

some more, interesting links...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64679-2003Apr20?language=printer
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/2002/0312france.htm
http://acs.ucsd.edu/~calrev/archives/2002-2003/spring2003b/articles/article20.htm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm

I can't reply to all, of course ... what surprised me at the beginning
of the struggle about Iraq is how much the US news medias haev
replaced professionalism with patriotism ... even newspapers like the
wasington post ... no exception here ... they pretended not understand
the french stance ... anywhere than in USA the french stance was
generally understaood but in yor country ... well.

the french "hey ! wiat a minute before lifting the sanctions" whereas
france was the major voice to ask the softening of the sanctions
before the war is explained by the fact that USA, once again, was
acting unilaterally, not paying ANY intention to the UN and the
international community ... USA was the major reason of the suffering
of the Iraqi people with the embargo (yes villas and palaces or not
.. what did it change to the WMds matter ? please explein it to me
.. the only victims were civilians - the children mainly ...)
and when the USA need the Iraqi Oil to repair and help iraq to survive
their war ... they unilaterally declare that there is no sanctions
anymore and that they will use the oil to finance the reconstruction
.. Come on !!! another slap to the UN face !
Bush and his administration showed once again that he do not care
about the rest of the world ... that he doesn't accept any law that
not from the USA ... international rule can disappear .... no problem
...
yes french were, once again, shocked and torqued to see such a
behavior !!!!

of course we never let the Iraqi people die because of famine ! that
was just a way to say to USA : "are you mocking us all !? stop that,
and follow the rule !!!"

here's the again the stats :
to show you that we weren't the main beneficiary of the deal with Iraq
... about the oil contracts - BTW we aren't (of course) dependent of
Iraq for our oil or our economy as you can guess... - if you think
that we face the wrath of the mightiest power in the world just to
keep contracts that was not near to be started ... you're raving.
we are/were not dependent from Iraq - so please let's be serious now
..
Let's talk about the real motivation of your leaders.

anyways, here they come again :

i quote :

Iraq's main imports partners seem to vary considerably depending on
years. Though, it has been clearly established that France has been
one
of its very major suppliers along with Australia, Italy, China and
Russia. It should be quoted that all these imports have been approved
and monitored by the UN under the oil-for-food program, and are
*legal*.
Amazingly enough, the USA are not part of Iraq's major suppliers list.
This stratlingly constrats with the global situation of the US trade
in
the whole Middle East since the (1st) gulf war has boosted the US
exports so as to give the Americans the very first rank almost
everywhere else.

Analysing a country's trade doesn't simply boil down to ranking
imports
partners. Trade is a two-way exchange which also comprises exports.
Thus, John Tagliablue would have been quite inspired to take a look at
Iraq's exports figures if he aimed at giving an accurate account of
Iraq's trade :

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
Iraq's Exports-partners :
US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)
(source : CIA, the world factbook 2002)

Amazingly enough, the USA are by FAR the very first clients of Iraq.
They import an awful lot from Iraq and export almost nothing to Iraq.

Oil-for-food program :

Phase I - VII : French contracts = 10-15 % of total amount
Phase VIII : French contracts = 6 % (rank : 6th)
Phase IX : French contracts = 3 % (rank : 11th)
Phase X : (couldn't find the information)
Phase XI : French contracts = 2% (rank : 8th)

(source : French senate 2002)

Most contracts only become operative one or two years after being
signed. This clearly implies that commercial prospects for French
exports to Irak are doomed to drastically drop. Therefore, if one
bases
one's reasoning on the assumption that French policy towards Iraq is
mainly motivated by trade revenues, one could reasonably infer that
France now has serious grounds for attacking Iraq. QED
--

BTW,
in one of the aricle loved the passage in one article enumarating the
reasons to hate france (not explaining the reasons france had to
behave that way ... very neutral press ... ;-) )

== for the road, i still quote old stuff ==

Post by Jeremy
Under the six-year-old United Nations oil-for-food program, Iraq
determines where it will shop using the proceeds from oil sales.

That is quite right : Iraq determines where it will shop using the
proceeds from oil sales. France is not part of Iraq's official
priority
list which comprises the partners they wish to favour : Egypt, Syria,
Turkey, Yemen, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Lebanon, Algeria,
Morocco, Tunisia, China, India and Russia.

Post by Jeremy
So ok, if I understand USA is buying 46.2% of the oil from Iraq. Why if
they have their oil already would they want the war so they can get some
oil?? I don't get it.

Very simple in fact : Oil will be missing in the next decades ...
If USA control the tap of the 2nd world oil producer they are safe,
can't have any pressure on them by the oil states (that we already
know some are linked (even indirectly) with al'Qaeda - like Saudi
Arabia -one of the most oli provider of USA that hose with mega bucks
the intrnational islamist terrorist) and can make a pressure on the
Arabic Peninsula and other oil powers... they will be de facto the
unavoidable uncontested hyperpower of the world ... Who have to lose
in this matter : Everybody (Europe and the whole world) except USA
that have all to earn !!!

Post by Jeremy
if we would have wanted the oil we would have
simply kept it as we went about putting out the fires your buddy Saddam left
behind as he ran screaming and wining from Kuwait. The US unlike some

No way, it was part of the machiavellian US policy :-p
US finally have a military presence in the gulf ! with saddam as a
scarecrow they have a reason to stay here in this very very
startegically important region... That was the dream of USA...
The future oil provider of the world with the indirect pressure of the
USA ... the possibility to interfere in this unstable region that is
so important and will be more and more important in the future !

Why do you think Bush's father (that was the head of the CIA in the
past) say ,at the big surprise of schwarkopf, to stop and to keep
Saddam in power ? He could have said : "let's kick his ass ! go to
Bagdad !"

BTW the US presence on the Saudian Soil is the first reason of the
09/11 events....

[waggg]

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum

we are the 4th or 5th (i don't recall) economic power - sorry to make
you lose your delusions boyo !
About the oil of Iraq nobody bought except from the oil and food
program and we were far from being the only one top buy it ...

== quote ==

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
Iraq's Exports-partners :
US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)
(source : CIA, the world factbook 2002)

Amazingly enough, the USA are by FAR the very first clients of Iraq.
They import an awful lot from Iraq and export almost nothing to Iraq.

Oil-for-food program :

Phase I - VII : French contracts = 10-15 % of total amount
Phase VIII : French contracts = 6 % (rank : 6th)
Phase IX : French contracts = 3 % (rank : 11th)
Phase X : (couldn't find the information)
Phase XI : French contracts = 2% (rank : 8th)

(source : French senate 2002)

=========

Post by 'nuff said
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop

yeah genocidal ... like in 1991 when Bush (the father) asked to the
minorities in the country to rebel against Saddam and when he made
"peace" with Saddam he let those shiites to their fate (should I say
"doom") Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (IIRC - anyway at least
tens of thousand) of them - who can wonder why they didn't welcome the
USA when the USA came to kick Saddam's ass ...

Post by 'nuff said
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

feed your brain it's always useful whatever can be your age ...

[Jeremy]

Well, at least someone had the consideration to reply in english. :)

Post by waggg

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum

we are the 4th or 5th (i don't recall) economic power - sorry to make
you lose your delusions boyo !
About the oil of Iraq nobody bought except from the oil and food
program and we were far from being the only one top buy it ...
== quote ==
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)
(source : CIA, the world factbook 2002)

Along your line of reasoning:

In August 1990, Iraq seized Kuwait, but was expelled by US-led, UN
coalition forces during the Gulf War of January-February 1991. Following
Kuwait's liberation, the UN Security Council (UNSC) required Iraq to
scrap all weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles and to
allow UN verification inspections. Continued Iraqi noncompliance with
UNSC resolutions over a period of 12 years resulted in the US-led
invasion of Iraq in March 2003 and the ouster of the SADDAM Husayn regime.
Not that it's important. I'm sure Saddam kept all those chemical weapons
for tea time with the weapons inspectors. ;)

Post by waggg
Amazingly enough, the USA are by FAR the very first clients of Iraq.
They import an awful lot from Iraq and export almost nothing to Iraq.
Phase I - VII : French contracts = 10-15 % of total amount
Phase VIII : French contracts = 6 % (rank : 6th)
Phase IX : French contracts = 3 % (rank : 11th)
Phase X : (couldn't find the information)
Phase XI : French contracts = 2% (rank : 8th)
(source : French senate 2002)
=========

Post by 'nuff said
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop

yeah genocidal ... like in 1991 when Bush (the father) asked to the
minorities in the country to rebel against Saddam and when he made
"peace" with Saddam he let those shiites to their fate (should I say
"doom") Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (IIRC - anyway at least
tens of thousand) of them - who can wonder why they didn't welcome the
USA when the USA came to kick Saddam's ass ...

Uhhhhhh, lemmee see... What is the definition of genocide?
Hmmmmmm, tens of thousands to hundereds of thousands you say?
Well, yes, in that case he would definitaly be a not very nice man.
Thank you for proving my point.

Post by waggg

Post by 'nuff said
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

feed your brain it's always useful whatever can be your age ...

[waggg]

Post by Jeremy
Well, at least someone had the consideration to reply in english. :)

Post by waggg

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum

we are the 4th or 5th (i don't recall) economic power - sorry to make
you lose your delusions boyo !
About the oil of Iraq nobody bought except from the oil and food
program and we were far from being the only one top buy it ...
== quote ==
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html
US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)
(source : CIA, the world factbook 2002)

In August 1990, Iraq seized Kuwait, but was expelled by US-led, UN
coalition forces during the Gulf War of January-February 1991. Following

Too bad you're not commenting my post ... bah ...

Post by Jeremy
Kuwait's liberation, the UN Security Council (UNSC) required Iraq to
scrap all weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles and to
allow UN verification inspections. Continued Iraqi noncompliance with
UNSC resolutions over a period of 12 years resulted in the US-led

well from many sourcs the non-compliance seemed provoked by the USA
..
You've seen documentary telling about how terrible was the french with
the jews (if you wants stats about it, i will give you some ... you
will be surprised), well i've seen a documentary with many sources
from the UN (some american) describing the shady (masterminding ?)
attitude of the uSA to make the inspection fail ... from 1991 to 1999
(IIRC) then they changed the leader of the inspection team and an
australian guy was appointed (known as being a US toy) and the
inspections were stopped ... strange, eh ?

i have some stuff from Scott Ritter (a former US lead UN inspector) if
you wish.

Post by Jeremy
invasion of Iraq in March 2003 and the ouster of the SADDAM Husayn regime.
Not that it's important. I'm sure Saddam kept all those chemical weapons
for tea time with the weapons inspectors. ;)

WMds ... we still waiting them ... they are late ... really ... 1 year
... and we're still waiting ... wasn't that the threat of these
weapons that was the main reason for the invasion ?
the threat that this pauperized bloodless country with a 3rd world
army with no spare parts for about 11 yrs was for USA and the world ?
<chuckle>
anyway the shelf-life is important to determine if such weapons are
dangerous ... and the UN inspections are supposed tohave destroyed
about 90-95 % of the Iraq's WMDs ...

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg
Amazingly enough, the USA are by FAR the very first clients of Iraq.
They import an awful lot from Iraq and export almost nothing to Iraq.
Phase I - VII : French contracts = 10-15 % of total amount
Phase VIII : French contracts = 6 % (rank : 6th)
Phase IX : French contracts = 3 % (rank : 11th)
Phase X : (couldn't find the information)
Phase XI : French contracts = 2% (rank : 8th)
(source : French senate 2002)
=========

Post by 'nuff said
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop

yeah genocidal ... like in 1991 when Bush (the father) asked to the
minorities in the country to rebel against Saddam and when he made
"peace" with Saddam he let those shiites to their fate (should I say
"doom") Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (IIRC - anyway at least
tens of thousand) of them - who can wonder why they didn't welcome the
USA when the USA came to kick Saddam's ass ...

Uhhhhhh, lemmee see... What is the definition of genocide?
Hmmmmmm, tens of thousands to hundereds of thousands you say?
Well, yes, in that case he would definitaly be a not very nice man.
Thank you for proving my point.

i indeed said that he was genocidal or anyway mass murederer ... what
you failed to understand is that I said that USA was cynically letting
mass mureder the very people USA asked to rebel ... hundreds of
thousands of people IIRC ...

Post by Jeremy

Post by waggg

Post by 'nuff said
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

feed your brain it's always useful whatever can be your age ...

[Krankor]

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics.

Trust me, it's much better and less vile than your own national Spam.
I haven't tried your spray-on-cheese on that, and I even doubt my dog
will go that low in the food chain either. Takes a special kind of
masochists to impose such culinary taste onto themselves.

[pete]

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

1% of that burger you just ate, fat boy, is legally alowed to be faeces.
Shit.

[pete]

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

Oh, didn't Canada invade the US and ransack the White House?

[waggg]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:33:32 -0000, "pete"

Post by pete

Post by 'nuff said
'Pate' my ass!! I know dog food when I see it. Must be the result of
laissez-faire economics. No wonder they can only afford to buy petroleum
from a genocidal dictator! What will they do now that we have him? Stop
chugging that wine, Chirac, your country would lose a war against CANADA!

Oh, didn't Canada invade the US and ransack the White House?

yes ... well, the english troopers, anyway ...