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1001 reasons to fill in the channel tunnel
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The Harbinger
2004-11-19 23:05:20 UTC
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Reason 1.

It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
Wotan
2004-11-19 23:11:39 UTC
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"The Harbinger" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in
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| Reason 1.
|
| It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
| deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
| cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.

I think that one reason is good enough on its own.

Why bother with any more ?

[ Another bloody stupid idea we have to thank the
"Eurosceptic" (ha, bloody ha) Margaret Thatcher
for. She was very good at pretending to be anti-EU
in public, whilst doing them endless favours behind
the scenes ]
Steven Litvintchouk
2004-11-19 23:42:03 UTC
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Post by The Harbinger
Reason 1.
It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
Please explain.

Are you referring to the two world wars? Because France did give a good
accounting of themselves in World War I. France didn't fall into moral
decay until after World War I.


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Wotan
2004-11-20 00:25:01 UTC
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"Steven Litvintchouk" <***@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message news:fxvnd.6263$***@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
| The Harbinger wrote:
|
| > Reason 1.
| >
| > It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
| > deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very
entente
| > cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living
memory.
|
| Please explain.
|
| Are you referring to the two world wars?

I think he is referring to everything we have had to put up
with from the French SINCE the last war - starting with
the back-stabbing bastard DeGaul and going right up to
today with the treacherous bastard Chirac.

Because France did give a good
| accounting of themselves in World War I.

No they did not. They were out of their sculls on
absinthe and useless at fighting.

Which is why the French government banned the production
of that drink.
ronin
2004-11-20 20:33:03 UTC
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Post by Wotan
|
| > Reason 1.
| >
| > It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
| > deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very
entente
| > cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living
memory.
|
| Please explain.
|
| Are you referring to the two world wars?
I think he is referring to everything we have had to put up
with from the French SINCE the last war - starting with
the back-stabbing bastard DeGaul and going right up to
today with the treacherous bastard Chirac.
You knee-jerk French haters look like idiots, now that they have just agreed
to save you from paying off Iraq's debt.

Creditors to forgive up to 80 per cent of Iraq's debt, German minister says
02:52 PM EST Nov 20
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/business/041120/b112002.html
Post by Wotan
Because France did give a good
| accounting of themselves in World War I.
No they did not. They were out of their sculls on
absinthe and useless at fighting.
Which is why the French government banned the production
of that drink.
Periander.
2004-11-20 00:25:50 UTC
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Post by Steven Litvintchouk
Post by The Harbinger
Reason 1.
It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
Please explain.
Are you referring to the two world wars? Because France did give a good
accounting of themselves in World War I. France didn't fall into moral
decay until after World War I.
The French army mutinied in 1916 for a period of several months the British
Army effectively was France's only defence ... that and the fact the
German's didn't catch on in time. Following this period France was all but
finished in the war.
--
regards or otherwise,

Periander
gaffo
2004-11-20 00:43:20 UTC
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Post by Periander.
Post by Steven Litvintchouk
Post by The Harbinger
Reason 1.
It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
Please explain.
Are you referring to the two world wars? Because France did give a good
accounting of themselves in World War I. France didn't fall into moral
decay until after World War I.
The French army mutinied in 1916 for a period of several months the British
Army effectively was France's only defence ...
yes - not all of the French - some.
Post by Periander.
that and the fact the
German's didn't catch on in time.
Germans also had moral troubles - as we all later learned.
Post by Periander.
Following this period France was all but
finished in the war.
"finished"? - vulnerable, but so was the other side.

its called a quagmire, we've forgotten - but soon we shall remember again.
--
If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power
of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as
given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence...If the jury feels that
the law under which the defendant is accused is unjust, or that exigent
circumstances justified the actions of the accused, or for any reason
which appeals to their logic or passion, the jury has the power to
acquit, and the courts must abide by that decision.

4th Circuit Court of Appeals, United States v. Moylan, 1969


[The jury has an] unreviewable and irreversible power...to acquit in
disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...The
pages of history shine on instances of the jury's exercise of its
prerogative to disregard uncontradicted evidence and instructions of the
judge; for example, acquittals under the fugitive slave law.

D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, Unites States v. Dougherty, 1972


It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict
according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience,
though in direct opposition to the directionof the court.

John Adams, 1771


.....it is usual for the jurors to decide the fact, and to refer the law
arising on it to the decision of the judges. But this division of the
subject lies with their discretion only. And if the question relate to
any point of public liberty, or if it be one of those in which the
judges may be suspected of bias, the jury undertake to decide both law
and fact.

Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on Virginia," 1782


It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the
other hand,presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still
both objects are within your power of decision.....you have a right to
take it upon yourselves to judge of both,and to determine the law as
well as the fact in controversy.

Chief Justice John Jay, Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794


Jurors should acquit, even against the judge's instruction...if
exercising their judgement with discretion and honesty they have a clear
conviction that the charge of the court is wrong.

Alexander Hamilton, 1804


The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both the law
and the facts.

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Horning v. District of Columbia, 1920
abelard
2004-11-22 17:15:41 UTC
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Post by gaffo
Post by Periander.
Post by Steven Litvintchouk
Post by The Harbinger
Reason 1.
It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
Please explain.
Are you referring to the two world wars? Because France did give a good
accounting of themselves in World War I. France didn't fall into moral
decay until after World War I.
The French army mutinied in 1916 for a period of several months the British
Army effectively was France's only defence ...
yes - not all of the French - some.
Post by Periander.
that and the fact the
German's didn't catch on in time.
Germans also had moral troubles - as we all later learned.
Post by Periander.
Following this period France was all but
finished in the war.
"finished"? - vulnerable, but so was the other side.
its called a quagmire, we've forgotten - but soon we shall remember again.
--
If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power
of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as
given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence...If the jury feels that
the law under which the defendant is accused is unjust, or that exigent
circumstances justified the actions of the accused, or for any reason
which appeals to their logic or passion, the jury has the power to
acquit, and the courts must abide by that decision.
4th Circuit Court of Appeals, United States v. Moylan, 1969
[The jury has an] unreviewable and irreversible power...to acquit in
disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...The
pages of history shine on instances of the jury's exercise of its
prerogative to disregard uncontradicted evidence and instructions of the
judge; for example, acquittals under the fugitive slave law.
D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, Unites States v. Dougherty, 1972
It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict
according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience,
though in direct opposition to the directionof the court.
John Adams, 1771
.....it is usual for the jurors to decide the fact, and to refer the law
arising on it to the decision of the judges. But this division of the
subject lies with their discretion only. And if the question relate to
any point of public liberty, or if it be one of those in which the
judges may be suspected of bias, the jury undertake to decide both law
and fact.
Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on Virginia," 1782
It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the
other hand,presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still
both objects are within your power of decision.....you have a right to
take it upon yourselves to judge of both,and to determine the law as
well as the fact in controversy.
Chief Justice John Jay, Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794
Jurors should acquit, even against the judge's instruction...if
exercising their judgement with discretion and honesty they have a clear
conviction that the charge of the court is wrong.
Alexander Hamilton, 1804
The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both the law
and the facts.
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Horning v. District of Columbia, 1920
i want a document on this subject for www.magnacartaplus.org
with references to its relationship with democracy and references
to lysander spooner....
can i con you into helping....or should i just snatch your useful
list of references, file them and use them when i can get around
to the job?

other input also useful

regards....
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Steven Litvintchouk
2004-11-20 00:45:43 UTC
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Post by Periander.
Post by Steven Litvintchouk
Post by The Harbinger
Reason 1.
It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
Please explain.
Are you referring to the two world wars? Because France did give a good
accounting of themselves in World War I. France didn't fall into moral
decay until after World War I.
The French army mutinied in 1916 for a period of several months the British
Army effectively was France's only defence ... that and the fact the
German's didn't catch on in time. Following this period France was all but
finished in the war.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
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Roedy Green
2004-11-20 00:20:40 UTC
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Post by The Harbinger
Reason 1.
It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very entente
cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
I take it you have never been to Britain or France. You ought to see
the ferry lineups.

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Wotan
2004-11-20 00:28:40 UTC
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"Roedy Green" <look-***@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| On 19 Nov 2004 15:05:20 -0800,
***@yahoo.com
| (The Harbinger) wrote or quoted :
|
| >Reason 1.
| >
| >It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
| >deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very
entente
| >cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
|
| I take it you have never been to Britain or France. You ought to
see
| the ferry lineups.

This is the result of a malicious French scam under which
they sell cheap drink and tobacco to the British, which results
in billions of pounds of lost revenue - and has resulted
in the ruination of thousands of small off licences and
tobacconists across the UK.

In other words, it is another direct attack on the British
economy by our French enemies.
js
2004-11-20 03:38:48 UTC
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Post by Wotan
| On 19 Nov 2004 15:05:20 -0800,
|
| >Reason 1.
| >
| >It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
| >deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very
entente
| >cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
|
| I take it you have never been to Britain or France. You ought to
see
| the ferry lineups.
This is the result of a malicious French scam under which
they sell cheap drink and tobacco to the British, which results
in billions of pounds of lost revenue - and has resulted
in the ruination of thousands of small off licences and
tobacconists across the UK.
In other words, it is another direct attack on the British
economy by our French enemies.
Go to any country on the continent and you can bring back cigarettes and
spirits at a fraction of their cost in Britain. It has nothing to do with
the French or any others - it has *everything* to do with excessive taxation
at home. That's also why those day trips to Ostende and Calais are so
cheap.
Patrick
2004-11-27 19:03:22 UTC
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Post by Wotan
| On 19 Nov 2004 15:05:20 -0800,
|
| >Reason 1.
| >
| >It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
| >deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very
entente
| >cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
|
| I take it you have never been to Britain or France. You ought to
see
| the ferry lineups.
This is the result of a malicious French scam under which
they sell cheap drink and tobacco to the British, which results
in billions of pounds of lost revenue - and has resulted
in the ruination of thousands of small off licences and
tobacconists across the UK.
In other words, it is another direct attack on the British
economy by our French enemies.
It's refreshing to see a brit that recognizes the true enemy in europe!




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Nick
2004-12-07 05:50:16 UTC
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after seeing just a few of your posts i have come to realize... you're
a moron.
Post by Patrick
Post by Wotan
| On 19 Nov 2004 15:05:20 -0800,
|
| >Reason 1.
| >
| >It will be more difficult for corrupt, hypocritical, odious,
| >deceitful,lying French Presidents to visit and mock the very
entente
| >cordiale that has dug them out of the merde twice in living memory.
|
| I take it you have never been to Britain or France. You ought to
see
| the ferry lineups.
This is the result of a malicious French scam under which
they sell cheap drink and tobacco to the British, which results
in billions of pounds of lost revenue - and has resulted
in the ruination of thousands of small off licences and
tobacconists across the UK.
In other words, it is another direct attack on the British
economy by our French enemies.
It's refreshing to see a brit that recognizes the true enemy in europe!
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Roedy Green
2004-12-07 09:39:59 UTC
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Post by Wotan
In other words, it is another direct attack on the British
economy by our French enemies.
So do you consider cheap liquor and tobacco in the USA a direct attack
on Canada which taxes such things more highly?

Or do you think it is merely that they choose not to tax sin as highly
as Canadians?


"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor of Hitler
nor of Mussolini."
~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's atrocities in the Iraq war.
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Mark Underwood
2004-12-08 16:14:29 UTC
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There is only one Enemy of the western World and that is The USA lead by
that nazi Bush.
Post by Roedy Green
Post by Wotan
In other words, it is another direct attack on the British
economy by our French enemies.
So do you consider cheap liquor and tobacco in the USA a direct attack
on Canada which taxes such things more highly?
Or do you think it is merely that they choose not to tax sin as highly
as Canadians?
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor of Hitler
nor of Mussolini."
~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's atrocities in the Iraq war.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
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