Spanish PM proves he's a weasel

Iran is covertly supporting al-Qaida-aligned terrorists in Iraq, not
just anti-American Shiite insurgents, U.S. defense and intelligence
sources say with certainty.

The acknowledgment of the long-held suspicion as certainty raises the
stakes in Iraq and the Persian Gulf as President Bush begins his second
term and Iran, with its nuclear aspirations, moves to the front burner
as an international crisis in the making.

According to Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, al-Qaida-linked terrorists have
been observed moving supplies and new recruits from Iran to Iraq, say
the sources. While it has long been known Iran was backing the uprising
led by Moqtada al-Sadr in the southern Shiite region of Iraq, the
Iranian ties to Sunni Islamist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a terrorist leader
who has pledged his allegiance to Osama bin Laden, has not been certain.

The development is potentially explosive given the standoff between Iran
and the West over its nuclear program and the mullah regime's desire to
build nuclear weapons. It was Iraq's flirtation with weapons of mass
destruction and support of terrorism that provided the impetus for the
U.S.-led invasion and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Iran no longer even denies that elements of Ansar al-Islam, an affiliate
of al-Qaida, entered the country from Afghanistan following the U.S.-led
invasion of that nation in 2001. Iran claims it offered no assistance to
the group.

But some senior al-Qaida operatives who were among those fleeing to Iran
after the Afghanistan war may have developed a working relationship with
the Revolutionary Guards, a special military unit in Iran linked to
Tehran's mullah government, say U.S. military and intelligence sources.

The 9-11 commission also found contacts between Iranian security
officials and senior al-Qaida figures and found evidence that eight to
10 of the Sept. 11 hijackers passed through Iranian territory.

Iraq and Iran share an 800-mile border. U.S. officials say terrorists
who cross over into Iraq from Iran most often head for Mosul, the
largest Arab Sunni Muslim city in the north and an area where Islamic
extremist groups are powerful. Others have been tracked going to
Fallujah, now surrounded and sealed off by U.S. Marines who are expected
to storm the city at any moment.

Links between Iran and al-Qaida are nothing new, however, the fact that
the connections are now being taken seriously by U.S. senior officials
who recognize the impact they are having on the ground in Iraq is explosive.

Back in June, former CIA analyst Douglas MacEachin, a member of the 9-11
commission staff, said Iran and its terrorist group ally Hezbollah were
linked to the al-Qaida terrorist group.

Other U.S. intelligence officials said there is also evidence Iran is
linked to the Sept. 11 attacks. According to the officials, two of the
hijackers, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, who were aboard the
aircraft that hit the Pentagon, had stayed at the Iranian ambassador's
residence in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, before entering the United States
in January 2001.

MacEachin disclosed that the Iran-al-Qaida ties were revealed in the
1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers residence complex that housed U.S.
military personnel in Saudi Arabia. The bombing killed 19 Americans.

U.S. intelligence agencies mistakenly assumed then that, since a Shiite
group was involved, rival Sunnis were not, he said. That's a mistake
senior defense and intelligence officials are no longer making.

Iran's links with al-Qaida go back to at least 1995 when an Egyptian
members of bin Laden's group, Mustafa Hamid, visited Tehran. He is
believed to have met with representatives of the Iranian Revolutionary
Guards to discuss cooperation – cooperation that now appears to be a
matter of fact.

Between the middle of 1996 and the end of 1998, 10 percent of all of bin
Laden's outgoing satellite phone calls were to Iran, say U.S. sources.

In October 2000, Ali Muhammad, in testimony before the Southern District
for New York federal court, described setting up meetings in the early
1990s between bin Laden and Imad Mughniyeh of Hezbollah, an
Iranian-backed terrorist group.

Bin Laden's No. 2 in al-Qaida, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was the long-time
leader of Egypt's Islamic Jihad, which had extensive ties to Iran.
Al-Zawahiri traveled frequently to Iran in the 1990s, and he is believed
to have been one of the masterminds of the Sept. 11 attacks.

According to a European intelligence official, Mughniyeh, who reports
directly to Iranian intelligence, met in Mashad, Iran, with a senior
Iranian intelligence official and a "top deputy to Saddam Hussein in
charge of intelligence matters," to discuss cooperation with bin Laden.
This meeting reportedly took place the month after the Sept. 11 terror
attacks on the U.S.

President Bush warned that any nation cooperating with al-Qaida would
become an enemy of the U.S. In fact, in 2002, he singled out Iran for
special attention.

"(Iran) must be with us or against us in the war against terrorism and
make no attempt to destabilize the interim Afghan government," he said.
"Iran must be a contributor in the war against terror; our nation and
our fight against terror will uphold the doctrine, either you're with us
or against us; and any nation that thwarts our ability to rout terror
out where it exists will be held to account, one way or the other. ...
If they (Iranians) are trying – if they in any way, shape or form – try
to destabilize the government (of Afghanistan), the coalition ... we'll
deal with them, in diplomatic ways, initially."

U.S. officials in the Pentagon and intelligence services are now
convinced Iran is actively undermining the occupation of Iraq – and
doing so through direct collaboration with al-Qaida forces.

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America the Beautiful

2004-11-11 12:56:12 UTC

By Doug Palmer

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. trade deficit narrowed more than
expected in September as a rise in exports to unprecedented levels
offset the impact of record-high prices for imported oil, a government
report showed on Wednesday.

The monthly trade gap totaled $51.6 billion, down from a revised $53.5
billion in August, the Commerce Department said. Economists had forecast
the September trade deficit would come in at $53.5 billion, only
slightly lower than the original estimate for August of $54.0 billion.

"It is pretty encouraging news and says that we will probably get an
upward revision to third-quarter GDP (gross domestic product)," said
David Resler, chief economist with Nomura Securities International in
New York.

"The deficit was $2 billion smaller than consensus expectations. It does
point to some noticeable upward revision to GDP, offsetting some
negative indicators we have had recently," he added.

However, soaring oil costs pushed the price of goods imported into the
United States up 1.5 percent in October, the Labor Department said in a
separate report. That was nearly double Wall Street forecasts.

Federal Reserve policy-makers, gathered in Washington to discuss
interest-rate strategy, may take note of the surge in import prices.
Economists expect the central bank to lift borrowing costs later on
Wednesday, the fourth rise this year.

With oil prices hitting a record in October, the cost of petroleum
products climbed 11.7 percent last month, the Labor Department report said.

DOLLAR FALL YIELDING BENEFITS

The Commerce report said exports hit a record $97.5 billion in
September, suggesting a weakening dollar is making American goods more
competitive around the world.

The dollar firmed initially after the trade report, but then sank to new
record lows against the euro as traders used the dollar rally as an
opportunity to sell the greenback.

In a sign global trade imbalances remain far from resolved, the
politically-sensitive gap with China set another record at $15.5
billion, as imports from the Asian manufacturing powerhouse rose 1.7
percent to a record $18.4 billion.

The dollar has fallen against the currencies of major trading partners
and has hit record lows versus the euro in large part on worries about a
trade shortfall that remains on track to set a new record this year.

While the trade gap fell more than expected in September, it was still
the third-highest on record.

Meanwhile, the number of Americans filing initial claims for
unemployment benefits rose last week to 333,000, the Labor Department
said in separate report.

A Reuters poll of analysts had forecast first-time claims for state
unemployment benefits to climb to 340,000 in the week ended Nov. 6 from
331,000 the previous week. This was revised from 332,000 initially reported.

The Commerce Department said U.S. exports of consumer goods and
industrial supplies and materials set records in September, while
exports of autos and auto parts were second only to the record set in
August.

Imports totaled $149.0 billion in September, down fractionally from
August's record level. Average prices for imported oil hit $37.62 per
barrel, up more than 40 percent from the same month last year, the data
showed.

Non-oil imports hit a record $109.0 billion, led by record auto and auto
parts imports and an increase in capital goods imports to the highest
level since December 2000.

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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Woo

2004-11-12 07:36:18 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
By Doug Palmer
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. trade deficit narrowed more than
expected in September as a rise in exports to unprecedented levels
offset the impact of record-high prices for imported oil, a government
report showed on Wednesday.
The monthly trade gap totaled $51.6 billion, down from a revised $53.5
billion in August, the Commerce Department said. Economists had forecast
the September trade deficit would come in at $53.5 billion, only
slightly lower than the original estimate for August of $54.0 billion.
"It is pretty encouraging news and says that we will probably get an
upward revision to third-quarter GDP (gross domestic product)," said
David Resler, chief economist with Nomura Securities International in
New York.

Oh yes, it is encouraging news that the chubby yanks are fucking
colossaly in debt with the rest of the world and not absolutely hugely
fucking colossally in debt with the rest of the world as first
predicted. Worthless dollars all round!

America the Beautiful

2004-11-12 12:51:41 UTC

Post by Woo

No worries, we'll just print more money.

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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-11 13:00:32 UTC

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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-17 12:44:20 UTC

The Muslims don't care must about beheadings of innocent civilians, but
yet they get all into a tizzy about us killing wounded insurgents. Go
figure. Maybe it's now time to kill every man, woman, and child for
Allah, because Allah knows that every muslim man is a terrorist, every
child is a terrorist in training, and every woman is a terrorist
building factory. Now that America stands side by side with Allah in
this Jihad against the Islamics, we must fight do what is right, God
willing, and finish off these infidels.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D95OG5.html

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently
unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni Muslims
in Iraq on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of
insurgents once they are out of action."

--
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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Ack

2004-11-17 13:00:28 UTC

America the Beautiful wrote:

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even
have the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-17 13:08:20 UTC

Post by Ack
do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even
have the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

Diddums is the slang way of saying it - as in 'didduuuums'. But I
suppose you'll say you knew that already.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Anthropy

2004-11-17 13:33:47 UTC

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:20 GMT, America the Beautiful

Post by Ack
do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even
have the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

Diddums is the slang way of saying it - as in 'didduuuums'. But I
suppose you'll say you knew that already.

Dictionary definition of Diddums = something you say to show that you
feel no sympathy for someone who is behaving like a child:
- He called you a bad name, did he? Ah, diddums!

There was no entry for "Diddems"

http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/diddums

ATB got it wrong again, ahhhhhhhh diddUms.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-18 02:38:42 UTC

Post by Anthropy
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:20 GMT, America the Beautiful

Post by Ack
do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even
have the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

Diddums is the slang way of saying it - as in 'didduuuums'. But I
suppose you'll say you knew that already.

Dictionary definition of Diddums = something you say to show that you
- He called you a bad name, did he? Ah, diddums!
There was no entry for "Diddems"
http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/diddums
ATB got it wrong again, ahhhhhhhh diddUms.

Really, whatever.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Ack

2004-11-18 07:13:13 UTC

Post by Anthropy
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:20 GMT, America the Beautiful

Post by Ack
do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even
have the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

Diddums is the slang way of saying it - as in 'didduuuums'. But I
suppose you'll say you knew that already.

Please don't confuse Cwissie by using facts - he's not equipped for it,
the poor diddums. But then "he knew that already".

Patrick

2004-11-17 14:46:32 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

I'm noticing a pattern here with ack and gergory, people with opposing views
from their own are "less intelligent and undereducated in comparison to
them". It must be an underlying mantra worldwide with liberal socialists.
That's the exact same message being conveyed by the liberal media in the US
in reference to people who voted for Bush. Maybe, ack and gergory, you two
are not intelligent enough to come up with your own response so you
regurgitate the talking points of liberal America.

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 01:50:35 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

I'm noticing a pattern here with ack and gergory, people with opposing views
from their own are "less intelligent and undereducated in comparison to
them".

There's a rather better tan even chance you're less intelligent, especially when you
demonstrate that lack of intelligence ahead of time.
Undereducated? If you're a product of the US education system then you almost certainly
are.

Post by Patrick
It must be an underlying mantra worldwide with liberal socialists.
That's the exact same message being conveyed by the liberal media in the US
in reference to people who voted for Bush. Maybe, ack and gergory, you two
are not intelligent enough to come up with your own response so you
regurgitate the talking points of liberal America.

Do please try not to confuse yourself: "liberal" is quite different to the US "Liberal"
political standpoint, which is not liberal.
America is a land mass consisting of two continents, South America and North America.

Patrick

2004-11-18 03:04:08 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

I'm noticing a pattern here with ack and gergory, people with opposing views
from their own are "less intelligent and undereducated in comparison to
them".

Let's parse words and point out obvious typos. That's intelligent!

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 04:29:01 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

I'm noticing a pattern here with ack and gergory, people with opposing views
from their own are "less intelligent and undereducated in comparison to
them".

Let's parse words and point out obvious typos. That's intelligent!

I wasn't pointing out typos - I assumed you were smart enough to write what you meant -
did I over-rate you?

Patrick

2004-11-18 15:09:43 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

I'm noticing a pattern here with ack and gergory, people with opposing views
from their own are "less intelligent and undereducated in comparison to
them".

Post by Patrick
It must be an underlying mantra worldwide with liberal socialists.
That's the exact same message being conveyed by the liberal media in
the
US
in reference to people who voted for Bush. Maybe, ack and gergory,
you
two
are not intelligent enough to come up with your own response so you
regurgitate the talking points of liberal America.

Do please try not to confuse yourself: "liberal" is quite different to
the
US "Liberal"
political standpoint, which is not liberal.
America is a land mass consisting of two continents, South America and North America.

Let's parse words and point out obvious typos. That's intelligent!

I wasn't pointing out typos - I assumed you were smart enough to write what you meant -
did I over-rate you?

No, I'd just say you're displaying your inability to stay on topic and the
fact you are in love with the straw man.

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 22:54:21 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

I'm noticing a pattern here with ack and gergory, people with opposing views
from their own are "less intelligent and undereducated in comparison to
them".

There's a rather better tan even chance you're less intelligent,
especially when you
demonstrate that lack of intelligence ahead of time.
Undereducated? If you're a product of the US education system then you
almost certainly
are.

Post by Patrick
It must be an underlying mantra worldwide with liberal socialists.
That's the exact same message being conveyed by the liberal media in
the
US
in reference to people who voted for Bush. Maybe, ack and gergory,
you
two
are not intelligent enough to come up with your own response so you
regurgitate the talking points of liberal America.

Do please try not to confuse yourself: "liberal" is quite different to
the
US "Liberal"
political standpoint, which is not liberal.
America is a land mass consisting of two continents, South America and
North America.

Let's parse words and point out obvious typos. That's intelligent!

I wasn't pointing out typos - I assumed you were smart enough to write what you meant -
did I over-rate you?

No, I'd just say you're displaying your inability to stay on topic and the
fact you are in love with the straw man.

You brought 'Liberals' into the discussion.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-18 02:41:14 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

When all you got is spelling lames, you have pretty much nothing else.

--
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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Ack

2004-11-18 07:14:53 UTC

do you mean "diddums"? Sort of loses the effect when you don't even have
the education to get correct word in your header Cwissie.

Poor diddums.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 01:44:15 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
The Muslims don't care must about beheadings of innocent civilians, but
yet they get all into a tizzy about us killing wounded insurgents. Go
figure. Maybe it's now time to kill every man, woman, and child for
Allah, because Allah knows that every muslim man is a terrorist, every
child is a terrorist in training, and every woman is a terrorist
building factory. Now that America stands side by side with Allah in
this Jihad against the Islamics, we must fight do what is right, God
willing, and finish off these infidels.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D95OG5.html
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently
unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni Muslims
in Iraq on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of
insurgents once they are out of action."

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

Patrick

2004-11-18 03:06:11 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

Did it ever dawn on you gregrory that we do get it and you're the one
incapable of comprehending?

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 04:30:49 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

Did it ever dawn on you gregrory that we do get it and you're the one
incapable of comprehending?

I'm responding to Chris's posting - he either doesn't get it or he's trying to divert
the discussion.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-18 03:40:32 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead. Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building. War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 04:36:16 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead, shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-18 11:52:09 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

Greg, ol' asshat, people in war snap at a moments notice, but this guy
doesn't appear to have snapped. I was reacting in kind to his
environment and made a judgment on past experience. He did nothing wrong.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war, the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can. The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

Post by Gregory Procter
Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead,

He was hardly defenseless as he was shooting back until he got wounded.
no one knows if he had a gun or mine under him.

Post by Gregory Procter
shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

If the insurgent survived, he would go back in the ranks and fire on us
tomorrow. The marine killed him before he kills again. War is hell, and
you would have to have had war training to understand.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

2004-11-18 12:54:33 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Post by Gregory Procter
Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead,

He was hardly defenseless as he was shooting back until he got wounded.
no one knows if he had a gun or mine under him.

Post by Gregory Procter
shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

If the insurgent survived, he would go back in the ranks and fire on us
tomorrow. The marine killed him before he kills again. War is hell, and
you would have to have had war training to understand.

Something *YOU* obviously haven't had, seeing as you seem to have a wilful
ignorance of

a) Your *requirement* to follow the GC and the reasoning behind that
requiremet
b) The probable consequemnces of NOT following teh GC
c) Your bizarre idea that a wounded enemy, in an area controlled by allied
forces would somehow make his way "back in the ranks and fire on us
tomorrow."

You pencil-necked wannabe

HTH!
HAND

Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 20:28:36 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else - that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq, which makes you
fair game.

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to be a threat. If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders. If you think a home invader has every right
to defend himself then we have no common meeting ground to base a discussion on.

Post by Gregory Procter
Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead,

He was hardly defenseless as he was shooting back until he got wounded.
no one knows if he had a gun or mine under him.

He had been seen there 24 hours before.
May I shoot you at your computer keyboard because no-one knows if you have a gun or mine
on you?

Post by Gregory Procter
shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

If the insurgent survived, he would go back in the ranks and fire on us
tomorrow.

OK, so the Iraqis should kill every GI they capture because they might get back in the
ranks tomorrow - hell Chris, you're demanding worse treatment from the Iraqis than they
give your troops now!

Post by America the Beautiful
The marine killed him before he kills again. War is hell, and
you would have to have had war training to understand.

No Chris, you yanks have taken war into Iraq - you are the home invaders - the
criminals.

Regards,
Greg.P.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-20 03:41:18 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Have you ever smelt brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else -

How do you know he wasn't a threat? Were you there?

Post by Gregory Procter
that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

No, Greg, it's called war.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq, which makes you
fair game.

And what comes around goes around.

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to be a threat.

How was the marine supposed to know how long he was wounded there for
when he was being shot at just minutes before.

Post by Gregory Procter
If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

More Greg logic...

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Post by Gregory Procter
If you think a home invader has every right
to defend himself then we have no common meeting ground to base a discussion on.

You expect troops to run down the street with their hands up in the air
yelling "shoot me!"?

Post by Gregory Procter
Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead,

He was hardly defenseless as he was shooting back until he got wounded.
no one knows if he had a gun or mine under him.

He had been seen there 24 hours before.
May I shoot you at your computer keyboard because no-one knows if you have a gun or mine
on you?

Now you're getting silly.

Post by Gregory Procter
shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

If the insurgent survived, he would go back in the ranks and fire on us
tomorrow.

OK, so the Iraqis should kill every GI they capture because they might get back in the
ranks tomorrow -

They are, stupid. The are even killing innocent civilians - like that
Brits aid worker they just shoot in the head for no reason at all.

Post by Gregory Procter
hell Chris, you're demanding worse treatment from the Iraqis than they
give your troops now!

Post by America the Beautiful
The marine killed him before he kills again. War is hell, and
you would have to have had war training to understand.

No Chris, you yanks have taken war into Iraq

Better there then here.

Post by Gregory Procter
- you are the home invaders - the
criminals.

It's lonely at the top.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-20 17:12:08 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Have you ever smelt brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else -

How do you know he wasn't a threat?

We all saw the video footage.

Post by America the Beautiful
Were you there?

Near enough.

Post by Gregory Procter
that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

No, Greg, it's called war.

No Chris, it's called the US illegally occupying a nation and slaughtering innocent civilians.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq, which makes you
fair game.

And what comes around goes around.

You'd better hope it doesn't!

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to be a threat.

How was the marine supposed to know how long he was wounded there for
when he was being shot at just minutes before.

Doesn't an incapacitated person offering no resistance deserve a little consideration?

Post by Gregory Procter
If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

More Greg logic...

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

Post by Gregory Procter
If you think a home invader has every right
to defend himself then we have no common meeting ground to base a discussion on.

You expect troops to run down the street with their hands up in the air
yelling "shoot me!"?

Yanks? Yeah, ok.

Post by Gregory Procter
Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead,

He was hardly defenseless as he was shooting back until he got wounded.
no one knows if he had a gun or mine under him.

He had been seen there 24 hours before.
May I shoot you at your computer keyboard because no-one knows if you have a gun or mine
on you?

Now you're getting silly.

Well ... - that's the sort of argument you're offering me.

Post by Gregory Procter
shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

If the insurgent survived, he would go back in the ranks and fire on us
tomorrow.

OK, so the Iraqis should kill every GI they capture because they might get back in the
ranks tomorrow -

They are, stupid.

Fair enough - that's what you yanks are doing.

Post by America the Beautiful
The are even killing innocent civilians - like that
Brits aid worker they just shoot in the head for no reason at all.

<slap slap> some tiny terrorist group did that, not the entire population of Iraq.
Do I hold you personally responsible when a couple of nutter yanks stage a shootup of a US
high school?

Post by Gregory Procter
hell Chris, you're demanding worse treatment from the Iraqis than they
give your troops now!

Post by America the Beautiful
The marine killed him before he kills again. War is hell, and
you would have to have had war training to understand.

No Chris, you yanks have taken war into Iraq

Better there then here.

Not at all.

Post by Gregory Procter
- you are the home invaders - the
criminals.

It's lonely at the top.
--
Chris F.
Long Island.
"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Patrick

2004-11-21 03:50:57 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Have you ever smelt brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else -

How do you know he wasn't a threat?

We all saw the video footage.

Post by America the Beautiful
Were you there?

Near enough.

Post by Gregory Procter
that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

No, Greg, it's called war.

No Chris, it's called the US illegally occupying a nation and slaughtering
innocent civilians.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq, which makes you
fair game.

And what comes around goes around.

You'd better hope it doesn't!

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground
in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to be a threat.

How was the marine supposed to know how long he was wounded there for
when he was being shot at just minutes before.

Doesn't an incapacitated person offering no resistance deserve a little consideration?

Post by Gregory Procter
If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

More Greg logic...

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

95% of germans thought it was ok to gas the jews, while 95% of the world
chose to ignore the problem! It's easier to live with evil in the world if
you pretend it doesn't exist, easier yet to identify it incorrectly.

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Ack

2004-11-21 08:28:14 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Have you ever smelt brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else -

How do you know he wasn't a threat?

We all saw the video footage.

Post by America the Beautiful
Were you there?

Near enough.

Post by Gregory Procter
that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

No, Greg, it's called war.

No Chris, it's called the US illegally occupying a nation and slaughtering
innocent civilians.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq, which makes you
fair game.

And what comes around goes around.

You'd better hope it doesn't!

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to be a threat.

How was the marine supposed to know how long he was wounded there for
when he was being shot at just minutes before.

Doesn't an incapacitated person offering no resistance deserve a little consideration?

Post by Gregory Procter
If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

More Greg logic...

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

Why is that when people like Patty quote statistics such as "95%
of...etc" they are apparently just pulling figures out of their flabby
arses.
Patty, dear, either get back to the kitchen like the good little
housewife that you are, or give a cite to support your "95%" statistics.
What's that dear? You're saying that you can't support your claim? Oh
dear, how embarrassing for yo.

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-21 20:16:21 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the
actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Have you ever smelt brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for
returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else -

How do you know he wasn't a threat?

We all saw the video footage.

Post by America the Beautiful
Were you there?

Near enough.

Post by Gregory Procter
that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

No, Greg, it's called war.

No Chris, it's called the US illegally occupying a nation and slaughtering
innocent civilians.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq,
which makes you
fair game.

And what comes around goes around.

You'd better hope it doesn't!

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground
in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to be a threat.

How was the marine supposed to know how long he was wounded there for
when he was being shot at just minutes before.

Doesn't an incapacitated person offering no resistance deserve a little consideration?

Post by Gregory Procter
If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

More Greg logic...

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Patrick

2004-11-21 23:33:22 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
The Muslims don't care must about beheadings of innocent
civilians,
but
yet they get all into a tizzy about us killing wounded
insurgents.
Go
figure. Maybe it's now time to kill every man, woman, and child for
Allah, because Allah knows that every muslim man is a terrorist, every
child is a terrorist in training, and every woman is a terrorist
building factory. Now that America stands side by side with
Allah
in
this Jihad against the Islamics, we must fight do what is right, God
willing, and finish off these infidels.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D95OG5.html
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently
unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni Muslims
in Iraq on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of
insurgents once they are out of action."

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the
actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Have you ever smelt brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for
returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else -

How do you know he wasn't a threat?

We all saw the video footage.

Post by America the Beautiful
Were you there?

Near enough.

Post by Gregory Procter
that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

No, Greg, it's called war.

No Chris, it's called the US illegally occupying a nation and slaughtering
innocent civilians.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq,
which makes you
fair game.

And what comes around goes around.

You'd better hope it doesn't!

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground
in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to
be
a threat.

How was the marine supposed to know how long he was wounded there for
when he was being shot at just minutes before.

Doesn't an incapacitated person offering no resistance deserve a little
consideration?

Post by Gregory Procter
If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

More Greg logic...

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

And new zealand continues to work via the UN to solve the world's problems!!
LMAO!!!

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-22 00:10:27 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
The Muslims don't care must about beheadings of innocent
civilians,
but
yet they get all into a tizzy about us killing wounded
insurgents.
Go
figure. Maybe it's now time to kill every man, woman, and child for
Allah, because Allah knows that every muslim man is a terrorist,
every
child is a terrorist in training, and every woman is a terrorist
building factory. Now that America stands side by side with
Allah
in
this Jihad against the Islamics, we must fight do what is right,
God
willing, and finish off these infidels.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D95OG5.html
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The fatal shooting of a wounded and
apparently
unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni
Muslims
in Iraq on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of
insurgents once they are out of action."

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the
actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit
member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

Maybe he had rancid Brit-breath?

That's not a crime.

Have you ever smelt brit-breath?

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for
returning him
to duty.

He killed a man who was not threat to him nor anyone else -

How do you know he wasn't a threat?

We all saw the video footage.

Post by America the Beautiful
Were you there?

Near enough.

Post by Gregory Procter
that is commonly known in
civilized countries as 'cold blooded murder'.

No, Greg, it's called war.

No Chris, it's called the US illegally occupying a nation and slaughtering
innocent civilians.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for
defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

It doesn't matter who started the war,

It absolutely does matter - you yanks have invaded and occupied Iraq,
which makes you
fair game.

And what comes around goes around.

You'd better hope it doesn't!

Post by America the Beautiful
the troops are being shot at and
both sides defend themselves the best they can.

The operative word being "defend". A person lying wounded on the ground
in one position
for 24 hours cannot by any stretch of the imagination be claimed to
be
a threat.

How was the marine supposed to know how long he was wounded there for
when he was being shot at just minutes before.

Doesn't an incapacitated person offering no resistance deserve a little
consideration?

Post by Gregory Procter
If he's
liable to blow himself up then don't stand so close - problem solved.

More Greg logic...

Post by America the Beautiful
The object of war is to
"Win the war"! You do whatever it takes to ensure your survival while
not ensuring theirs.

The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

And new zealand continues to work via the UN to solve the world's problems!!
LMAO!!!

Hey, at least we aren't working to create more like the US is.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-22 11:39:53 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Ack

2004-11-22 12:26:57 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Diddums.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-23 21:13:51 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of fatty shit in the US)

America the Beautiful

2004-11-23 22:29:22 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of fatty shit in the US)

Actually, Fatstuff, your region was just declared as having the fattest
fat-bodies in the world. Tisk tisk. Oh what a fat tangled web we weave.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-23 22:51:45 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of fatty shit in the US)

Actually, Fatstuff, your region was just declared as having the fattest
fat-bodies in the world. Tisk tisk. Oh what a fat tangled web we weave.

You're getting us confused with our fat cousins, the Aussies - we don't accept responsibility
for them.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-24 01:15:07 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of fatty shit in the US)

Actually, Fatstuff, your region was just declared as having the fattest
fat-bodies in the world. Tisk tisk. Oh what a fat tangled web we weave.

You're getting us confused with our fat cousins, the Aussies - we don't accept responsibility
for them.

Asstrailers - New Squealanders - what's the difference?

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-24 01:26:29 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of fatty shit in the US)

Actually, Fatstuff, your region was just declared as having the fattest
fat-bodies in the world. Tisk tisk. Oh what a fat tangled web we weave.

You're getting us confused with our fat cousins, the Aussies - we don't accept responsibility
for them.

Asstrailers - New Squealanders - what's the difference?

Mexicans - yanks - what's the difference?

the guvnor

2004-11-24 09:03:04 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
Asstrailers - New Squealanders - what's the difference?

Mexicans - yanks - what's the difference?

People like Mexicans?

Gregory Procter

2004-11-24 23:33:54 UTC

Post by the guvnor

Post by America the Beautiful
Asstrailers - New Squealanders - what's the difference?

Mexicans - yanks - what's the difference?

People like Mexicans?

People like y... Oh, I see what you mean!

America the Beautiful

2004-11-26 11:22:37 UTC

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran - thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of fatty shit in the US)

Actually, Fatstuff, your region was just declared as having the fattest
fat-bodies in the world. Tisk tisk. Oh what a fat tangled web we weave.

You're getting us confused with our fat cousins, the Aussies - we don't accept responsibility
for them.

Asstrailers - New Squealanders - what's the difference?

Mexicans - yanks - what's the difference?

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Mark Underwood

2004-11-26 18:43:14 UTC

Death to George Bush and Yanks

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the
Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran -
thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of
fatty shit in the US)

Actually, Fatstuff, your region was just declared as having the fattest
fat-bodies in the world. Tisk tisk. Oh what a fat tangled web we weave.

You're getting us confused with our fat cousins, the Aussies - we don't
accept responsibility
for them.

Asstrailers - New Squealanders - what's the difference?

Mexicans - yanks - what's the difference?

For one the Mexicans are not our cousins. The only thing we have around
here that is close to cousins are our mostly quiet brothers up north. New
Zealand is our cousin but it is the cousin nobody talks about.
--
Chris F.
Long Island.
"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

vonroach

2004-11-27 00:29:04 UTC

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:43:14 +0000 (UTC), "Mark Underwood"
<mark.j.underwood opines from his home with the other slime and worms

Post by Mark Underwood
Death to

Deep thinking UK kindergarten tot learning to speak

America the Beautiful

2004-11-27 03:45:47 UTC

Post by Mark Underwood
Death to George Bush and Yanks

Come and get us, Bitchboy.

Post by Mark Underwood

Post by Gregory Procter
The problem we have here Chris, is that 95% of the world's population
sees you in the
same light as you would see home invaders.

How do you know what 95% of the world thinks?

Because I'm a part of that 95% not illegally invading Iraq.

You mean like you yanks ignored Hussein's attempted genocide of the
Kurds with US
supplied WMDs because you were on the same side against Iran -
thanks for clarifying
that point.

Now you witness the power a new generation of Americans can bring forth.

Nappies full of fatty shit. (sorry, that would be diapers full of
fatty shit in the US)

Actually, Fatstuff, your region was just declared as having the fattest
fat-bodies in the world. Tisk tisk. Oh what a fat tangled web we weave.

You're getting us confused with our fat cousins, the Aussies - we don't
accept responsibility
for them.

Asstrailers - New Squealanders - what's the difference?

Mexicans - yanks - what's the difference?

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Patrick

2004-11-18 14:48:08 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

It's a little more complicated than that simplistic assessment!

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Actually Gregory, given' all the Iraqi violations of the Gulf War I cease
fire agreement on a continuous basis since signing it back in 1991 and
lasting through 2003, I would say your statement is false. As much as you
obviously hate to admit it, they brought it upon themselves!

Post by Gregory Procter
Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead, shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

I'm surprised you didn't use the word 'innocent'!

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 22:16:48 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

It's a little more complicated than that simplistic assessment!

Well, no it's not.
I will allow that you might come up with further information, not yet revealed.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the situations that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

The violations (assuming there were any) were between Saddam Hussein's administration
and the UN.
a: you have removed Saddam Hussein's administration, which in point of fact you helped
install in the first place.
b: the violations were against the UN, which told you your invasion of Iraq was
illegal.
You should in fact be retaliating against yourselves for creating this whole state of
affairs, not the innocent Iraqi population.

Post by Gregory Procter
Bottom line - an defenseless Iraqi is dead, shot in cold blood by a yank invading
a foreign country.

I'm surprised you didn't use the word 'innocent'!

Can you show that he wasn't?

Patrick

2004-11-19 00:55:27 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

It's a little more complicated than that simplistic assessment!

Well, no it's not.
I will allow that you might come up with further information, not yet revealed.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations
that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Firing SAM's at US planes patrolling over the no-fly zone does not require
UN approval for retaliation. You can believe differently all day long!

Post by Gregory Procter
You should in fact be retaliating against yourselves for creating this whole state of
affairs, not the innocent Iraqi population.

You can believe this all day long if you like. The fact of the matter is,
the bullets quit flying, the bombs stopped dropping on the orders of G H
Bush. Not the UN. And since it was the US that invited the UN to that
party in the first place, I'd pretty much say it was the US calling the
shots. Norman Schwartzcoff presented the cease fire agreement to the Iraqis
which they signed and at no time was Gen Schwartzcoff under the command of
anyone other than the President of The United States. For the record, the
tanks were russian made, airplanes and missiles courtesy of russia and
france, chemical weapons courtesy of germany. Please refresh my memory,
what precisely did Saddam Hussein possess that was stamped with "made in the
USA"? Oh, forgive us for not listening to the demands of a bunch of crooks
who sell security council votes for kickbacks and who have the audacity to
tell US ousting their co-conspirator in crime Saddam Hussein is "illegal".
SPARE ME! I sense from your statements that NZ has subjugated itself to the
UN. Congratulations!!

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-19 01:12:13 UTC

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the
actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

It's a little more complicated than that simplistic assessment!

Well, no it's not.
I will allow that you might come up with further information, not yet revealed.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations
that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Firing SAM's at US planes patrolling over the no-fly zone does not require
UN approval for retaliation. You can believe differently all day long!

If we're talking US planes acting for the UN and under UN orders then any retaliation
is by an agent of the UN.
If we're talking US planes operating illegally in a no-fly zone for the US's benefit
then the justified retaliation is the firing of the missile.

Post by Gregory Procter
You should in fact be retaliating against yourselves for creating this whole state of
affairs, not the innocent Iraqi population.

In that case it would be a total US deal and the 2003 US invasion of Iraq was an
illegal invasion.

Post by Patrick
For the record, the
tanks were russian made, airplanes and missiles courtesy of russia and
france, chemical weapons courtesy of germany. Please refresh my memory,
what precisely did Saddam Hussein possess that was stamped with "made in the
USA"?

There was a warehouse full of shells. You tell me what US military equipment Saddam
spent that 4 billion US dollars of military aid on.

Post by Patrick
Oh, forgive us for not listening to the demands of a bunch of crooks
who sell security council votes for kickbacks and who have the audacity to
tell US ousting their co-conspirator in crime Saddam Hussein is "illegal".
SPARE ME! I sense from your statements that NZ has subjugated itself to the
UN. Congratulations!!
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Patrick

2004-11-19 01:24:46 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
The Muslims don't care must about beheadings of innocent
civilians,
but
yet they get all into a tizzy about us killing wounded
insurgents.
Go
figure. Maybe it's now time to kill every man, woman, and child for
Allah, because Allah knows that every muslim man is a terrorist, every
child is a terrorist in training, and every woman is a terrorist
building factory. Now that America stands side by side with Allah in
this Jihad against the Islamics, we must fight do what is right, God
willing, and finish off these infidels.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D95OG5.html
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently
unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni Muslims
in Iraq on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of
insurgents once they are out of action."

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the
actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

It's a little more complicated than that simplistic assessment!

Well, no it's not.
I will allow that you might come up with further information, not yet revealed.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations
that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for
returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Firing SAM's at US planes patrolling over the no-fly zone does not require
UN approval for retaliation. You can believe differently all day long!

Post by Gregory Procter
You should in fact be retaliating against yourselves for creating this whole state of
affairs, not the innocent Iraqi population.

In that case it would be a total US deal and the 2003 US invasion of Iraq was an
illegal invasion.

There was a warehouse full of shells. You tell me what US military equipment Saddam
spent that 4 billion US dollars of military aid on.

I want you to be serious with me for just one moment Gregory. Sometime in
your past, you applied for US citizenship and were denied, weren't you?
Come on now, you can be honest with me.

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Gregory Procter

2004-11-19 08:00:31 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
The Muslims don't care must about beheadings of innocent
civilians,
but
yet they get all into a tizzy about us killing wounded
insurgents.
Go
figure. Maybe it's now time to kill every man, woman, and child for
Allah, because Allah knows that every muslim man is a terrorist,
every
child is a terrorist in training, and every woman is a terrorist
building factory. Now that America stands side by side with Allah in
this Jihad against the Islamics, we must fight do what is right, God
willing, and finish off these infidels.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D95OG5.html
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently
unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni
Muslims
in Iraq on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of
insurgents once they are out of action."

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the
actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

It's a little more complicated than that simplistic assessment!

Well, no it's not.
I will allow that you might come up with further information, not yet revealed.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations
that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for
returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Firing SAM's at US planes patrolling over the no-fly zone does not require
UN approval for retaliation. You can believe differently all day long!

Post by Gregory Procter
You should in fact be retaliating against yourselves for creating this
whole state of
affairs, not the innocent Iraqi population.

In that case it would be a total US deal and the 2003 US invasion of Iraq was an
illegal invasion.

There was a warehouse full of shells. You tell me what US military equipment Saddam
spent that 4 billion US dollars of military aid on.

I want you to be serious with me for just one moment Gregory. Sometime in
your past, you applied for US citizenship and were denied, weren't you?
Come on now, you can be honest with me.

Honestly - no - I don't wish to move to such a horrible nation and never have.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-19 08:06:58 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
The Muslims don't care must about beheadings of innocent
civilians,
but
yet they get all into a tizzy about us killing wounded
insurgents.
Go
figure. Maybe it's now time to kill every man, woman, and child for
Allah, because Allah knows that every muslim man is a terrorist,
every
child is a terrorist in training, and every woman is a terrorist
building factory. Now that America stands side by side with Allah in
this Jihad against the Islamics, we must fight do what is right, God
willing, and finish off these infidels.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86D95OG5.html
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently
unarmed man in a Fallujah mosque by a U.S. Marine angered Sunni
Muslims
in Iraq on Tuesday and raised questions about the protection of
insurgents once they are out of action."

The controversy is not about the dead man, Chris, it is about the
actions of
your military forces and one man in particular.

But one thing you didn't here is the whole story. Like how a unit member
was killed the day before from a guy that was pretending to be dead.

It's irrelevant Chris, he shot an unarmed man for the crime of breathing.

It's a little more complicated than that simplistic assessment!

Well, no it's not.
I will allow that you might come up with further information, not yet revealed.

Post by America the Beautiful
Or
how he was shot in the face from fighters in that building.

If the man wasn't sufficiently emotionally stable to handle the
situations
that he
was getting into daily then the crime was by the medical staff for
returning him
to duty.

Post by America the Beautiful
War is hell,
Greg, and people in combat think more about their own lives then about
the Geneva convention.

Chris, the US has taken war to Iraq so you can't blame Iraqis for defending
themselves as best they can - that "hell" is your crime, not theirs.

Firing SAM's at US planes patrolling over the no-fly zone does not require
UN approval for retaliation. You can believe differently all day long!

Post by Gregory Procter
You should in fact be retaliating against yourselves for creating this
whole state of
affairs, not the innocent Iraqi population.

In that case it would be a total US deal and the 2003 US invasion of Iraq was an
illegal invasion.

There was a warehouse full of shells. You tell me what US military equipment Saddam
spent that 4 billion US dollars of military aid on.

I want you to be serious with me for just one moment Gregory. Sometime in
your past, you applied for US citizenship and were denied, weren't you?
Come on now, you can be honest with me.

Honestly - no - I don't wish to move to such a horrible nation and never have.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-17 12:45:31 UTC

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A tiny unmanned NASA "scramjet" soared above the
Pacific Ocean Tuesday at nearly 10 times the speed of sound, or almost
7,000 mph, in a successful demonstration of a radical new engine technology.

The 12-foot-long X-43A supersonic combustion ramjet reached about Mach
9.7, said Leslie Williams, a spokeswoman at NASA's Dryden Flight
Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base.

The exotic aircraft was designed to fly under its own power for about 10
seconds after separating from a booster rocket at 110,000 feet, then
glide to a splash landing.

Details of the craft's exact performance were to be announced later from
Dryden, but mission officials were jubilant immediately after the brief
flight.

"Once again we made aviation history. We did that in March when we went
seven times the speed of sound and now we've done it right around 10
times the speed of sound," said Vince Rausch, Hyper-X program manager
from NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia.

The X-43A, mounted on a Pegasus rocket used to boost it to flight speed,
was carried under the wing of a B-52 aircraft and released at an
altitude of 40,000 feet over a test range off the Southern California
coast. The rocket motor then fired for a 90-second ascent.

Like its predecessors, the X-43A will not be recovered from the ocean.

The flight was the last in a $230 million-plus effort to test technology
most likely to be initially used in military aircraft, such as a bomber
that could reach any target on Earth within two hours of takeoff from
the United States, or to power missiles.

Scramjets may also provide an alternative to rockets for space launches.

Unlike conventional jet engines which use rotating fan blades to
compress air for combustion, the X-43A has no rotating engine parts.
Instead it uses the underside of the aircraft's forebody to "scoop" up
and compress air for mixing with hydrogen fuel.

The X-43A launched Tuesday was the last of three built for NASA's
Hyper-X program.

The first X-43A flight failed in 2001 when the booster rocket veered off
course and was destroyed.

The second X-43A successfully flew in March, reaching Mach 6.83 - nearly
5,000 mph - and setting a world speed record for a plane powered by an
air-breathing engine.

That was more than double the top speed of the jet-powered SR-71
Blackbird spyplane, which at slightly more than Mach 3 is the fastest
air-breathing, manned aircraft.

The old X-15 was the fastest rocket-powered manned airplane, hitting
Mach 6.7. Rockets do not "breathe" air, but instead carry oxidizers that
are combined with fuel to allow combustion.

Not having to carry oxygen is one of the advantages scramjets hold over
rockets. Rockets can also achieve high speeds, but the weight of oxygen
tanks or other oxidizers reduces the amount of payload they can carry.

Tuesday's launch was expected to be the last research flight for NASA's
B-52, which is being retired after some 40 years of service.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041117/D86DA1MG0.html

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-18 01:52:56 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A tiny unmanned NASA "scramjet" soared above the
Pacific Ocean Tuesday at nearly 10 times the speed of sound, or almost
7,000 mph, in a successful demonstration of a radical new engine technology.
The 12-foot-long X-43A supersonic combustion ramjet reached about Mach
9.7, said Leslie Williams, a spokeswoman at NASA's Dryden Flight
Research Center at Edwards Air Force Base.
The exotic aircraft was designed to fly under its own power for about 10
seconds after separating from a booster rocket at 110,000 feet, then
glide to a splash landing.
Details of the craft's exact performance were to be announced later from
Dryden, but mission officials were jubilant immediately after the brief
flight.
"Once again we made aviation history. We did that in March when we went
seven times the speed of sound and now we've done it right around 10
times the speed of sound," said Vince Rausch, Hyper-X program manager
from NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia.
The X-43A, mounted on a Pegasus rocket used to boost it to flight speed,
was carried under the wing of a B-52 aircraft and released at an
altitude of 40,000 feet over a test range off the Southern California
coast. The rocket motor then fired for a 90-second ascent.
Like its predecessors, the X-43A will not be recovered from the ocean.
The flight was the last in a $230 million-plus effort to test technology
most likely to be initially used in military aircraft, such as a bomber
that could reach any target on Earth within two hours of takeoff from
the United States, or to power missiles.
Scramjets may also provide an alternative to rockets for space launches.
Unlike conventional jet engines which use rotating fan blades to
compress air for combustion, the X-43A has no rotating engine parts.
Instead it uses the underside of the aircraft's forebody to "scoop" up
and compress air for mixing with hydrogen fuel.
The X-43A launched Tuesday was the last of three built for NASA's
Hyper-X program.
The first X-43A flight failed in 2001 when the booster rocket veered off
course and was destroyed.
The second X-43A successfully flew in March, reaching Mach 6.83 - nearly
5,000 mph - and setting a world speed record for a plane powered by an
air-breathing engine.
That was more than double the top speed of the jet-powered SR-71
Blackbird spyplane, which at slightly more than Mach 3 is the fastest
air-breathing, manned aircraft.
The old X-15 was the fastest rocket-powered manned airplane, hitting
Mach 6.7. Rockets do not "breathe" air, but instead carry oxidizers that
are combined with fuel to allow combustion.
Not having to carry oxygen is one of the advantages scramjets hold over
rockets. Rockets can also achieve high speeds, but the weight of oxygen
tanks or other oxidizers reduces the amount of payload they can carry.
Tuesday's launch was expected to be the last research flight for NASA's
B-52, which is being retired after some 40 years of service.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041117/D86DA1MG0.html

Isn't it nice that US scientists have finally dusted off the plans drawn up by
German research scientists in 1943-44 and got their prototype flying!

Larry J.

2004-11-18 04:17:41 UTC

Waiving the right to remain silent, Gregory Procter

Post by Gregory Procter
Isn't it nice that US scientists have finally dusted off the
plans drawn up by German research scientists in 1943-44 and got
their prototype flying!

If it's so fucking easy, then why haven't you Hobbits doen it..?

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"Lord, are we worthy of the task that lies before us,
or are we just jerking off..?"

Woo

2004-11-19 07:58:50 UTC

So what is faster then? A lump of metal in the stratosphere or the
devaluation of the US dollar?

America the Beautiful

2004-11-19 12:45:53 UTC

Post by Woo

So what is faster then? A lump of metal in the stratosphere or the
devaluation of the US dollar?

You swilling a six pack of your shit canned beer.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

the guvnor

2004-11-19 12:58:36 UTC

Post by Woo
So what is faster then? A lump of metal in the stratosphere or the
devaluation of the US dollar?

You swilling a six pack of your shit canned beer.

Meanwhile average American's lives continue their downward spiral:

"his neighborhood is filled with prostitutes and drug users"

"Henry, a fast-food worker who walked 3-1/2 miles to her job because she has
no car, lost that position a week ago after staying home to protect her
13-year-old son from the vandals."
""I was scared to leave my son there alone," Henry said. "They said they
understood, but I was missing days, so they terminated me"

http://www.charleston.net/stories/102104/loc_21trailer.shtml

America the Beautiful

2004-11-19 11:46:37 UTC

http://tinyurl.com/4djzg

A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells pupils

LONDON (AFP) - A British schoolteacher, attempting to motivate her
pupils into making the most of each day, told them a meteorite was about
to smash into the Earth and that they should all return home to say
goodbye to their families, a report said.

The teacher at the high school in Manchester, northwest England, only
realised her lecture was misjudged when many of the assembled teenagers
started crying "We will never see America!", the Sun newspaper said in
its Friday edition.

According to the report, the unnamed female teacher made the
announcement to around 250 pupils at St Matthew's Roman Catholic High
School during their regular morning assembly.

Saying she had bad news, the teacher announced that a meteor would
strike the Earth in 10 days' time, and that they should return home and
say their "final farewells to George W Bush".

After the crowd of 13- and 14-year-olds looked on in horror, and many
burst into tears realising they would never see America as they had
dreamed, the teacher swiftly explained that she was only trying to
encourage them to "seize the day and 'visit' American troops".

"Some of the children were 100 percent convinced they were going to
die," the father of one child told the paper.

"God only knows what this teacher thought she was doing."

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Rational Mind

2004-11-19 21:30:55 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
http://tinyurl.com/4djzg
A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells pupils
LONDON (AFP) - A British schoolteacher, attempting to motivate her
pupils into making the most of each day, told them a meteorite was about
to smash into the Earth and that they should all return home to say
goodbye to their families, a report said.
The teacher at the high school in Manchester, northwest England, only
realised her lecture was misjudged when many of the assembled teenagers
started crying "We will never see America!", the Sun newspaper said in
its Friday edition.
According to the report, the unnamed female teacher made the
announcement to around 250 pupils at St Matthew's Roman Catholic High
School during their regular morning assembly.
Saying she had bad news, the teacher announced that a meteor would
strike the Earth in 10 days' time, and that they should return home and
say their "final farewells to George W Bush".
After the crowd of 13- and 14-year-olds looked on in horror, and many
burst into tears realising they would never see America as they had
dreamed, the teacher swiftly explained that she was only trying to
encourage them to "seize the day and 'visit' American troops".
"Some of the children were 100 percent convinced they were going to
die," the father of one child told the paper.
"God only knows what this teacher thought she was doing."

Wow, this is interesting! BTW, you can provide valid documentation
showing that you had permission to reprint this on the newsgroups,
right? And you probably have authorization to change some of the
words in the article, right? :-)

America the Beautiful

2004-11-20 03:06:32 UTC

Post by Rational Mind

If I show you will you suck my dick?

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Patrick

2004-11-20 02:04:03 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
http://tinyurl.com/4djzg
A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells pupils
LONDON (AFP) - A British schoolteacher, attempting to motivate her pupils
into making the most of each day, told them a meteorite was about to smash
into the Earth and that they should all return home to say goodbye to
their families, a report said.
The teacher at the high school in Manchester, northwest England, only
realised her lecture was misjudged when many of the assembled teenagers
started crying "We will never see America!", the Sun newspaper said in its
Friday edition.
According to the report, the unnamed female teacher made the announcement
to around 250 pupils at St Matthew's Roman Catholic High School during
their regular morning assembly.
Saying she had bad news, the teacher announced that a meteor would strike
the Earth in 10 days' time, and that they should return home and say their
"final farewells to George W Bush".
After the crowd of 13- and 14-year-olds looked on in horror, and many
burst into tears realising they would never see America as they had
dreamed, the teacher swiftly explained that she was only trying to
encourage them to "seize the day and 'visit' American troops".
"Some of the children were 100 percent convinced they were going to die,"
the father of one child told the paper.
"God only knows what this teacher thought she was doing."
--
Chris F.
Long Island.
"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Perfectly justified in their reaction I'd say. The thought that your hopes
and dreams of leaving England to come to the land of opportunity, the land
with the shining beacon on a hill, the land of a thousand points of light.
What else could these children possibly have to live for growing up in
bloody 'ole London town.

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gruntled gnu direct

2004-11-20 12:08:25 UTC

America the Beautiful wrote in message ...

<snip>

Post by America the Beautiful
After the crowd of 13- and 14-year-olds looked on in horror, and many
burst into tears realising they would never see America as they had
dreamed, the teacher swiftly explained that she was only trying to
encourage them to "seize the day and 'visit' American troops".

A meteorite, eh? Still, more credible than all those colour-coded "threat
levels" issued by the department for "Homeland Security".

Keep reminding the nervous yankee masses that they're in a ...

W A R

O N

T E R R O R !

D E A T H

I S

I M M I N E N T !

T R U S T

Y O U R

L E A D E R S !

America the Beautiful

2004-11-20 12:29:34 UTC

Post by gruntled gnu direct
America the Beautiful wrote in message ...

Post by America the Beautiful
http://tinyurl.com/4djzg
A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells

pupils

Post by America the Beautiful
LONDON (AFP) - A British schoolteacher, attempting to motivate her
pupils into making the most of each day, told them a meteorite was about
to smash into the Earth and that they should all return home to say
goodbye to their families, a report said.

<snip>

A meteorite, eh? Still, more credible than all those colour-coded "threat
levels" issued by the department for "Homeland Security".
Keep reminding the nervous yankee masses that they're in a ...
W A R
O N
T E R R O R !
D E A T H
I S
I M M I N E N T !
T R U S T
Y O U R
L E A D E R S !

You can observe a lot by watching...

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Woo

2004-11-21 06:21:36 UTC

Post by gruntled gnu direct
America the Beautiful wrote in message ...

Post by America the Beautiful
http://tinyurl.com/4djzg
A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells

pupils

<snip>

A meteorite, eh? Still, more credible than all those colour-coded "threat
levels" issued by the department for "Homeland Security".
Keep reminding the nervous yankee masses that they're in a ...
W A R
O N
T E R R O R !
D E A T H
I S
I M M I N E N T !
T R U S T
Y O U R
L E A D E R S !

You can observe a lot by watching...

Fox.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-21 11:27:52 UTC

Post by gruntled gnu direct
America the Beautiful wrote in message ...

Post by America the Beautiful
http://tinyurl.com/4djzg
A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells

pupils

<snip>

A meteorite, eh? Still, more credible than all those colour-coded "threat
levels" issued by the department for "Homeland Security".
Keep reminding the nervous yankee masses that they're in a ...
W A R
O N
T E R R O R !
D E A T H
I S
I M M I N E N T !
T R U S T
Y O U R
L E A D E R S !

You can observe a lot by watching...

Fox.

Glad you agree.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Mullah

2004-11-21 13:36:46 UTC

Post by gruntled gnu direct
America the Beautiful wrote in message ...

Post by America the Beautiful
http://tinyurl.com/4djzg
A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells

pupils

<snip>

A meteorite, eh? Still, more credible than all those colour-coded "threat
levels" issued by the department for "Homeland Security".
Keep reminding the nervous yankee masses that they're in a ...
W A R
O N
T E R R O R !
D E A T H
I S
I M M I N E N T !
T R U S T
Y O U R
L E A D E R S !

You can observe a lot by watching...

Fox.

Glad you agree.

That you Americans are gullable fools?

Patrick

2004-11-22 04:38:22 UTC

Post by Mullah

Post by gruntled gnu direct
America the Beautiful wrote in message ...

Post by America the Beautiful
http://tinyurl.com/4djzg
A meteor is coming and we're all going to die, British teacher tells

pupils

<snip>

A meteorite, eh? Still, more credible than all those colour-coded "threat
levels" issued by the department for "Homeland Security".
Keep reminding the nervous yankee masses that they're in a ...
W A R
O N
T E R R O R !
D E A T H
I S
I M M I N E N T !
T R U S T
Y O U R
L E A D E R S !

You can observe a lot by watching...

Fox.

Glad you agree.

That you Americans are gullable fools?

Then Brits are nothing but poodles??

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Mark Underwood

2004-11-25 22:42:10 UTC

America ..oh yes, gun crime ,poverty, unemployment, 40 million without
health care, drugs, gangs, religious bigots, and only two weeks holiday a
year..... sounds like a great place... bit like a shit hole.

Gregory Procter

2004-11-25 22:48:54 UTC

Post by Mark Underwood
America ..oh yes, gun crime ,poverty, unemployment, 40 million without
health care, drugs, gangs, religious bigots, and only two weeks holiday a
year..... sounds like a great place... bit like a shit hole.

Better than Iraq!

gruntled gnu direct

2004-11-20 13:59:45 UTC

America the Beautiful wrote in message ...

Post by gruntled gnu direct
Still, more credible than all those colour-coded

"threat >> levels" issued by the department for

Post by gruntled gnu direct
"Homeland Security".

You can observe a lot by watching...

Yes, but I think the problem lies in your threat-level colours:

Low = Green
Guarded = Blue
Elevated = Yellow
High = Orange
Severe = Red

... a little unimaginative, no?

I suggest the following; each level has a distinctive soundtrack:

Low = Lilac, with a subtle hint of lemon; soothing country music (quiet).

Guarded = Avocado, with teal border; bracing but slightly ominous
quasi-military movie soundtrack (fairly quiet).

Elevated = Plum, with burgundy streaks; unsettling, discordant modern jazz,
with sporadic shouts of panic in the background (moderate).

High = Beige, with disquieting emerald green blobs; anything by Sepultura
or Slipknot, with the sound of pigs being slaughtered in the background
(loud).

Severe = Black, with exuberant Jackson-Pollock-style red splatters, still
wet; hellish concoction of screaming, chainsaws, shooting, explosions;
background music courtesy of Fox News Channel (very loud).

Extremely Severe = Sand-color; soothing Arab music, accompanied by the
muezzins' calls to prayer from the new minarets of Denver, Dallas and
Kansas City.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-19 12:36:53 UTC

House conditions / Private sector renewal

* People in poorly heated homes are more vulnerable to winter death
than those living in well-heated homes. Britain has a large excess of
deaths - some 40,000 more deaths during March to December than expected
from death rates in other months of the year. Around 60 per cent of the
deaths can be attrbuted to the effects of cold.
(Source: Cold Comfort: The social and environmental determinants
of excess winter deaths in England, 1986-1996, Policy Press, 2001)

* There are one and a half million unfit occupied homes in the UK -
almost 6% or one home in every 16. The majority of these unfit homes are
owner occupied.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000 & English House
Conditions Survey 1996)

* The most common reason for unfitness is the lack of facilities
for food preparation in England, Wales and Northern Ireland; in Scotland
it is dampness.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000 & English
House Conditions Survey 1996)

* Problems of disrepair are more widespread than unfitness. Almost
one-third of all English dwellings required £1,000 worth of urgent
repairs in 1996
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000)

* One in five homes in England suffer problems of dampness,
condensation and mould growth.
(Source: English House Conditions Survey 1996)

* The English housing stock is old. 45% of dwellings were built
over 50 years ago, 25% of the stock pre-dates 1919.
(Source: English House Conditions Survey 1996)

* Poor housing conditions are closely related to the age of homes.
The post-1964 stock has the lowest level of unfitness. The proportion of
unfit dwellings increases with age, rising sharply for the pre-1919 stock.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000)

* The tendency to live in poor conditions increases with age,
particularly after 80. Households headed by women are more likely to
experience unfit housing conditions than those headed by men. In
England, households with a head from a minority ethnic community were
generally more likely to live in poor conditions than others.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000)

* Expenditure on private sector improvement grants has fallen
dramatically. The total value of renovation grants in 1999/2000 was just
£215 million a 38% reduction compared to 1994/95. A briefing paper with
more information on private sector renewal grant activity between 1991
and 2000 is available to download here

* Local authority grant aid to assist home-owners with improvement,
repair and adaptation reached a peak in 1982-84 at almost 300,000 grants
per year across the UK. In England, provision fell back to only about
60,000 grants per year in the early 1990s; by 1997 the number was down
to 35,000.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000)

http://tinyurl.com/3nrvz

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Lady Chatterly

2004-11-20 03:45:16 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
* There are one and a half million unfit occupied homes in the UK -
almost 6% or one home in every 16. The majority of these unfit homes are
owner occupied.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000 & English House
Conditions Survey 1996)

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the
West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency.
This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the
next presidential election.

Post by America the Beautiful
* The most common reason for unfitness is the lack of facilities
for food preparation in England, Wales and Northern Ireland; in Scotland
it is dampness.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000 & English
House Conditions Survey 1996)

John Titor and his parents live in a community made up of "tree
houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and
they have access to the Gulf. Most of thier neighbors make a living
off the sea or in moving cargo by boat.

Post by America the Beautiful
* Problems of disrepair are more widespread than unfitness. Almost
one-third of all English dwellings required �1,000 worth of urgent
repairs in 1996
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000)

Instinct is stronger than upbringing.

Post by America the Beautiful
* One in fi

Glutton: one who digs his grave with his teeth.

Post by America the Beautiful
* The E

Darkness reigns at the foot of the lighthouse.

Post by America the Beautiful
* Poor h

Heck, we haven't even touched on "Z" field compression yet.

Post by America the Beautiful
* The tendency to live in poor conditions increases with age,
particularly after 80. Households headed by women are more likely to
experience unfit housing conditions than those headed by men. In
England, households with a head from a minority ethnic community were
generally more likely to live in poor conditions than others.
(Source: The State of UK housing, Policy Press, 2000)

Genetic engineering is used but it's like any other technology. It can
be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid
seeds.

--
Lady Chatterly

"I do believe Alexa807 or Lady Chatterly need to take an interest in
this goofball." -- Aratzio

vonroach

2004-11-20 16:42:24 UTC

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 3:45:16 GMT, Lady Chatterly

Post by Lady Chatterly
Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the
West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency.
This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the
next presidential election.

Abba dabba do

Lady Chatterly

2004-11-20 16:54:21 UTC

Post by vonroach
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 3:45:16 GMT, Lady Chatterly

Abba dabba do

How do you know?

--
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"So Chatterbox can use Babelfish too. Yaaaaay." -- Chris Krolczyk

America the Beautiful

2004-11-19 13:13:53 UTC

England and Wales have the highest crime rate among the world's leading
economies, according to a new report by the United Nations.

The survey, which is likely to prove embarrassing to David Blunkett, the
Home Secretary. shows that people are more likely to be mugged, burgled,
robbed or assaulted here than in America, Germany, Russia, South Africa
or any other of the world's 20 largest nations. Only the Dominican
Republic, New Zealand and Finland have higher crime rates than England
and Wales.

According to the comparison of international crime statistics produced
by the UN's Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention, England and
Wales had 9,766 crimes for every 100,000 people in the year 2000.
America had 8,517, South Africa 7,997, Germany 7,621 and Russia 2,022.

During the period 1998-2000, Britain went from fifth to fourth worst in
the world league table. An analysis of total recorded crime figures
before 1998 also suggests that England and Wales have moved sharply up
the league table since Labour came to power in 1997. Crimes fell from
5.5 million in 1993 to 4.5 million in 1997. By 1999, total crimes had
risen again to 5.3 million.

Last night Oliver Letwin, the shadow home secretary, said: "This does
rather blow a hole in David Blunkett's claim that New Labour has crime
under control. It is a damning picture."

The UN reports also shows that England and Wales are the second-worst
places in the world for assaults, with 851 people assaulted per 100,000,
and seventh for burglaries and car theft, with 1,579 burglaries per
100,000 population.

Criminologists believe that a note of caution needs to be introduced
into analysis of the data, because of the different ways in which UN
member countries record crimes.

A Home Office spokesman said that officials had not yet seen the report
and so could not comment.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798708/posts

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Patrick

2004-11-19 14:45:24 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
England and Wales have the highest crime rate among the world's leading
economies, according to a new report by the United Nations.
The survey, which is likely to prove embarrassing to David Blunkett, the
Home Secretary. shows that people are more likely to be mugged, burgled,
robbed or assaulted here than in America, Germany, Russia, South Africa or
any other of the world's 20 largest nations. Only the Dominican Republic,
New Zealand and Finland have higher crime rates than England and Wales.
According to the comparison of international crime statistics produced by
the UN's Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention, England and Wales
had 9,766 crimes for every 100,000 people in the year 2000. America had
8,517, South Africa 7,997, Germany 7,621 and Russia 2,022.
During the period 1998-2000, Britain went from fifth to fourth worst in
the world league table. An analysis of total recorded crime figures before
1998 also suggests that England and Wales have moved sharply up the league
table since Labour came to power in 1997. Crimes fell from 5.5 million in
1993 to 4.5 million in 1997. By 1999, total crimes had risen again to 5.3
million.
Last night Oliver Letwin, the shadow home secretary, said: "This does
rather blow a hole in David Blunkett's claim that New Labour has crime
under control. It is a damning picture."
The UN reports also shows that England and Wales are the second-worst
places in the world for assaults, with 851 people assaulted per 100,000,
and seventh for burglaries and car theft, with 1,579 burglaries per
100,000 population.
Criminologists believe that a note of caution needs to be introduced into
analysis of the data, because of the different ways in which UN member
countries record crimes.
A Home Office spokesman said that officials had not yet seen the report
and so could not comment.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798708/posts
--
Chris F.
Long Island.
"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

And here all along, listening to the proctologist, I thought New Zealand was
a utopia. To top it all off, this report came from the UN?? WOW, no
disputing those claims. The UN is the top level of government in New
Zealand.

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America the Beautiful

2004-11-20 02:58:04 UTC

New Zealand is so bad that the Chinese won't even admit to controlling it.

--
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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Mark Underwood

2004-11-25 22:46:05 UTC

Actually most of those figures relate to the under 25's who tend to be out
in pubs late at night .

After 47 years I've never encountered any of the stated problems living in
the UK

America the Beautiful

2004-11-26 11:58:05 UTC

Post by Mark Underwood
Actually most of those figures relate to the under 25's who tend to be out
in pubs late at night .
After 47 years I've never encountered any of the stated problems living in
the UK

So you ar saying that all these crimes are connected to the your nations
widespread drinking problem. Interesting.

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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

the guvnor

2004-11-26 12:02:30 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
So you ar saying that all these crimes are connected to the your nations
widespread drinking problem. Interesting.

Are you one of those Christian fundies who lives in a dry county?

America the Beautiful

2004-11-26 12:06:41 UTC

Post by the guvnor

Post by America the Beautiful
So you ar saying that all these crimes are connected to the your nations
widespread drinking problem. Interesting.

Are you one of those Christian fundies who lives in a dry county?

Me? I had about ten martinis yesterday. Vegas lemon drops I think they
are called.

2 parts vodka
1 part Triple Sec
1 part lemon juice.

shaken over ice then poured. Yummy.

--
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Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Mark Underwood

2004-11-25 22:26:10 UTC

What a pile of horse shit Americans talk....

Post by America the Beautiful
Secret EU plot to kill Nato
By NIC CECIL
Political Correspondent
A SECRET EU plot to wreck Nato and torpedo the UKs influence in Europe
was sensationally laid bare by Spains Prime Minister yesterday.
He vowed his country would stand shoulder to shoulder with fellow Iraq war
weasels France and Germany to dictate a common EU defence policy that
would leave Britain sidelined.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero brazenly declared the ultimate aim was to
challenge America.
He declared: Europe must believe that it can be in 20 years the most
important world power. We want to arrange the European future at the side
of France and Germany. Spain sees itself with France and Germany as never
before.
His comments were a huge blow to Tony Blair, who has fought to make the
UK, Germany and France the key power-trio in Europe.
Zapatero was quizzed by German magazine Der Spiegel about the EUs
continuing need for US troops to deal with crises in the Balkans under the
Nato umbrella.
He said: Naturally it will still last some time, until we develop a
closed defence policy. That can happen only after the agreement on a
common foreign policy. The EU constitution is an important step in this
direction.
In 15 to 20 years we will surely have a foreign service for the EU.
Socialist Zapatero slammed for surrendering to terrorist demands when he
withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq said the constitution was a
milestone on the road to a European military and economic superpower.
Shadow Foreign Secretary Michael Ancram stormed: This is yet another
example of the real EU agenda of the EU constitution. It makes a nonsense
of Tony Blairs claims to have achieved an EU constitution which preserves
national sovereignty.
Neil OBrien, of anti-EU constitution group Vote No, said: Tony Blair has
been suckered into signing an EU constitution which would make it hard for
Britain to work with the US.
Yesterday Zapatero and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder agreed to boost
defence co-operation over tanks, torpedoes and missiles.
The Spanish PM insisted in his interview that he wanted closer relations
with the US as long as there was an end to the war in Iraq and a greater
role for the UN.
But President George Bush showed what he thought of him when Zapatero
phoned to congratulate him on his election victory. Mr Bush refused to
come on the line.
http://fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=904082&replies=46&page=1
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Long Island.
"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Patrick

2004-11-25 22:47:22 UTC

Post by Mark Underwood
What a pile of horse shit Americans talk....

Post by America the Beautiful
Secret EU plot to kill Nato
By NIC CECIL
Political Correspondent
A SECRET EU plot to wreck Nato and torpedo the UK's influence in Europe
was sensationally laid bare by Spain's Prime Minister yesterday.
He vowed his country would stand shoulder to shoulder with fellow Iraq
war weasels France and Germany - to dictate a common EU defence policy
that would leave Britain sidelined.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero brazenly declared the ultimate aim was to
challenge America.
He declared: "Europe must believe that it can be in 20 years the most
important world power. We want to arrange the European future at the side
of France and Germany. Spain sees itself with France and Germany as never
before."
His comments were a huge blow to Tony Blair, who has fought to make the
UK, Germany and France the key power-trio in Europe.
Zapatero was quizzed by German magazine Der Spiegel about the EU's
continuing need for US troops to deal with crises in the Balkans under
the Nato umbrella.
He said: "Naturally it will still last some time, until we develop a
closed defence policy. That can happen only after the agreement on a
common foreign policy. The EU constitution is an important step in this
direction.
"In 15 to 20 years we will surely have a foreign service for the EU."
Socialist Zapatero - slammed for surrendering to terrorist demands when
he withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq - said the constitution was a
"milestone" on the road to a European military and economic superpower.
Shadow Foreign Secretary Michael Ancram stormed: "This is yet another
example of the real EU agenda of the EU constitution. It makes a nonsense
of Tony Blair's claims to have achieved an EU constitution which
preserves national sovereignty."
Neil O'Brien, of anti-EU constitution group Vote No, said: "Tony Blair
has been suckered into signing an EU constitution which would make it
hard for Britain to work with the US."
Yesterday Zapatero and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder agreed to
boost defence co-operation over tanks, torpedoes and missiles.
The Spanish PM insisted in his interview that he wanted closer relations
with the US - as long as there was an end to the war in Iraq and a
greater role for the UN.
But President George Bush showed what he thought of him when Zapatero
phoned to congratulate him on his election victory. Mr Bush refused to
come on the line.
http://fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=904082&replies=46&page=1
--
Chris F.
Long Island.
"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Merely another demonstration of the fact the europeans have no idea who the
enemy is! It is time the US left NATO and the UN letting europe to finally
find out how insignificant, weak, helpless, and defenseless they are without
the United States. Maybe new zealand can once again come to their rescue.

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America the Beautiful

2004-11-26 12:01:27 UTC

Post by Mark Underwood
What a pile of horse shit Americans talk....

If they could only get off their fat drunken asses...

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

Eric P.

2004-11-27 12:41:31 UTC

Post by Mark Underwood
What a pile of horse shit Americans talk....

Yes to one little part of what you say : Europe is quite weak about
defence comparing to it's economic power, and that is why Zapatero
propose to build a common EU defence policy.
I only see a very normal proposal.
But I do not see the consequence you imply on who the enemy is. Do
the USA let the South Korea decide of American defence policy ? of
course no ? Does it make USA an enemy of South Korea ?
Nobody is obliged to stay in NATO and the UN, and if it is the wish of
the USA to do so, it's of course their right, if it is because of
Spanish Prime Minister proposal, it is a dubious reason why.
Please excuse my poor English.
Regards,
Eric
(from France, which has left NATO military structure since 1966 to
keep it's own defence policy, and recognise only the alliance treaty)

vonroach

2004-11-27 14:26:52 UTC

Post by Eric P.

Post by Mark Underwood
What a pile of horse shit Americans talk....

Eric the Red, your head is stuck deeply in the sand as
Franco-German-Spanish fanaticism is reborn right before your eyes.
This has happened many times in the past and always with the same
result. The jealous fascist politicians of europe are once again
gathering their mindless flocks. Blair is rejected at home because he
wants to go along on another round of surrender and appeasement.
In 20 years, the main EU `allies' will be stabbing each other in the
back . Plus la change, plus la meme chose

James H. Hood

2004-11-26 04:13:18 UTC

Post by Mark Underwood
What a pile of horse shit Americans talk....

Hey, it worked on your grandmothers.

laurelei

2004-11-26 10:28:45 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
Secret EU plot to kill Nato
By NIC CECIL
Political Correspondent
A SECRET EU plot to wreck Nato and torpedo the UK’s influence in Europe
was sensationally laid bare by Spain’s Prime Minister yesterday.
He vowed his country would stand shoulder to shoulder with fellow Iraq
war weasels France and Germany — to dictate a common EU defence policy
that would leave Britain sidelined.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero brazenly declared the ultimate aim was to
challenge America.
He declared: “Europe must believe that it can be in 20 years the most
important world power. We want to arrange the European future at the
side of France and Germany. Spain sees itself with France and Germany as
never before.”
His comments were a huge blow to Tony Blair, who has fought to make the
UK, Germany and France the key power-trio in Europe.
Zapatero was quizzed by German magazine Der Spiegel about the EU’s
continuing need for US troops to deal with crises in the Balkans under
the Nato umbrella.
He said: “Naturally it will still last some time, until we develop a
closed defence policy. That can happen only after the agreement on a
common foreign policy. The EU constitution is an important step in this
direction.
“In 15 to 20 years we will surely have a foreign service for the EU.”
Socialist Zapatero — slammed for surrendering to terrorist demands when
he withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq — said the constitution was a
“milestone” on the road to a European military and economic superpower.
Shadow Foreign Secretary Michael Ancram stormed: “This is yet another
example of the real EU agenda of the EU constitution. It makes a
nonsense of Tony Blair’s claims to have achieved an EU constitution
which preserves national sovereignty.”
Neil O’Brien, of anti-EU constitution group Vote No, said: “Tony Blair
has been suckered into signing an EU constitution which would make it
hard for Britain to work with the US.”
Yesterday Zapatero and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder agreed to
boost defence co-operation over tanks, torpedoes and missiles.
The Spanish PM insisted in his interview that he wanted closer relations
with the US — as long as there was an end to the war in Iraq and a
greater role for the UN.
But President George Bush showed what he thought of him when Zapatero
phoned to congratulate him on his election victory. Mr Bush refused to
come on the line.
http://fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=904082&replies=46&page=1

HA HA HA HA.
Are you Americans REALLY so stupid or is it some kind of joke?

the guvnor

2004-11-26 10:35:17 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
But President George Bush showed what he thought of him when Zapatero
phoned to congratulate him on his election victory. Mr Bush refused to
come on the line.
http://fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=904082&replies=46&page=1

HA HA HA HA.
Are you Americans REALLY so stupid or is it some kind of joke?

They *REALLY* are that stupid.

America the Beautiful

2004-11-26 12:08:29 UTC

HA HA HA HA.
Are you Americans REALLY so stupid or is it some kind of joke?

It seems the joke is on you.

--
Chris F.
Long Island.

"America has spoken. The rest of the world should listen," - Tony Blair.

SaPeIsMa

2004-11-26 14:57:33 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
Secret EU plot to kill Nato
By NIC CECIL
Political Correspondent
A SECRET EU plot to wreck Nato and torpedo the UKs influence in Europe
was sensationally laid bare by Spains Prime Minister yesterday.
He vowed his country would stand shoulder to shoulder with fellow Iraq
war weasels France and Germany to dictate a common EU defence policy
that would leave Britain sidelined.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero brazenly declared the ultimate aim was to
challenge America.
He declared: Europe must believe that it can be in 20 years the most
important world power. We want to arrange the European future at the
side of France and Germany. Spain sees itself with France and Germany as
never before.
His comments were a huge blow to Tony Blair, who has fought to make the
UK, Germany and France the key power-trio in Europe.
Zapatero was quizzed by German magazine Der Spiegel about the EUs
continuing need for US troops to deal with crises in the Balkans under
the Nato umbrella.
He said: Naturally it will still last some time, until we develop a
closed defence policy. That can happen only after the agreement on a
common foreign policy. The EU constitution is an important step in this
direction.
In 15 to 20 years we will surely have a foreign service for the EU.
Socialist Zapatero slammed for surrendering to terrorist demands when
he withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq said the constitution was a
milestone on the road to a European military and economic superpower.
Shadow Foreign Secretary Michael Ancram stormed: This is yet another
example of the real EU agenda of the EU constitution. It makes a
nonsense of Tony Blairs claims to have achieved an EU constitution
which preserves national sovereignty.
Neil OBrien, of anti-EU constitution group Vote No, said: Tony Blair
has been suckered into signing an EU constitution which would make it
hard for Britain to work with the US.
Yesterday Zapatero and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder agreed to
boost defence co-operation over tanks, torpedoes and missiles.
The Spanish PM insisted in his interview that he wanted closer relations
with the US as long as there was an end to the war in Iraq and a
greater role for the UN.
But President George Bush showed what he thought of him when Zapatero
phoned to congratulate him on his election victory. Mr Bush refused to
come on the line.
http://fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=904082&replies=46&page=1

HA HA HA HA.
Are you Americans REALLY so stupid or is it some kind of joke?

Yup.
The joke is on stupid idiots like you willing to believe such crap.

Patrick

2004-11-26 17:00:02 UTC

Post by America the Beautiful
Secret EU plot to kill Nato
By NIC CECIL
Political Correspondent
A SECRET EU plot to wreck Nato and torpedo the UKs influence in Europe
was sensationally laid bare by Spains Prime Minister yesterday.
He vowed his country would stand shoulder to shoulder with fellow Iraq
war weasels France and Germany to dictate a common EU defence policy
that would leave Britain sidelined.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero brazenly declared the ultimate aim was to
challenge America.
He declared: Europe must believe that it can be in 20 years the most
important world power. We want to arrange the European future at the
side of France and Germany. Spain sees itself with France and Germany as
never before.
His comments were a huge blow to Tony Blair, who has fought to make the
UK, Germany and France the key power-trio in Europe.
Zapatero was quizzed by German magazine Der Spiegel about the EUs
continuing need for US troops to deal with crises in the Balkans under
the Nato umbrella.
He said: Naturally it will still last some time, until we develop a
closed defence policy. That can happen only after the agreement on a
common foreign policy. The EU constitution is an important step in this
direction.
In 15 to 20 years we will surely have a foreign service for the EU.
Socialist Zapatero slammed for surrendering to terrorist demands when
he withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq said the constitution was a
milestone on the road to a European military and economic superpower.
Shadow Foreign Secretary Michael Ancram stormed: This is yet another
example of the real EU agenda of the EU constitution. It makes a
nonsense of Tony Blairs claims to have achieved an EU constitution
which preserves national sovereignty.
Neil OBrien, of anti-EU constitution group Vote No, said: Tony Blair
has been suckered into signing an EU constitution which would make it
hard for Britain to work with the US.
Yesterday Zapatero and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder agreed to
boost defence co-operation over tanks, torpedoes and missiles.
The Spanish PM insisted in his interview that he wanted closer relations
with the US as long as there was an end to the war in Iraq and a
greater role for the UN.
But President George Bush showed what he thought of him when Zapatero
phoned to congratulate him on his election victory. Mr Bush refused to
come on the line.
http://fuckfrance.com/read.html?postid=904082&replies=46&page=1

HA HA HA HA.
Are you Americans REALLY so stupid or is it some kind of joke?

Yeah, we're so fucking stupid we are one of the planet's youngest nations
and stand as the world's only superpower! How'd you miss out on that one!
Who's fucking stupid?????? LMAO The part you and your comrades should
REALLY be fearful of is the fact that I can vote for the president of the
United States which is the most powerful human being on the face of this
planet and the best you can do is whine on this newsgroup or cry to the
impotent UN to which the United States uses as it see fit!

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vonroach

2004-11-27 00:19:57 UTC

Yeah,

You Brits never will catch on to appeasing weasels. Chamberlain was
one. Laval was one. Quisling was one. Almost all socialist belong to
this club. A lot of your EU `allies' are of this stripe - France and
Germany come to mind.

Eric P.

2004-11-27 11:55:58 UTC

Post by vonroach

Yeah,

What do you mean ? EU `allies', Spain, France and Germany are weasels
to who according to you ?
Please answer
Regards,
Eric

vonroach

2004-11-27 14:12:31 UTC

Post by Eric P.

Post by vonroach

Yeah,

What do you mean ? EU `allies', Spain, France and Germany are weasels
to who according to you ?
Please answer
Regards,

That's right red boy. And you will find out if you ever ask for their
help. They will be doing criminal business behind your back,

Post by Eric P.
Eric

laurelei

2004-11-27 13:03:59 UTC